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Masseuse
06-07-2005, 16:55
I am off oop North for the old family duty visit in a couple of weeks and am thinking of paying the Lake District a visit for a couple of days. Never been and have no idea of the best places to go.
Any recommendations of where to go/places to stay/things to do/sights etc? Cheap as poss! But I ain't doing no camping. :mad: Looking on the net but it's just confusing me. Veering towards Keswick at the mo.
I thank you. :cool:
lizzieloo
06-07-2005, 16:58
There are loads of b+bs in Keswick, you might find a cheap one because there are so many but at this time of year The Lakes are chokka.
What about Hostels?
You're better off avoiding Ambleside and Windermere, they are very busy in summer, too busy.
You might like to avoid The Winchester Guest house in Keswick, run by an ex copper.
lizzieloo
06-07-2005, 17:13
Eskdale is a beautiful place, Stanley Gill is a magical place, can feel almost tropical. :cool:
http://www.eskdale.info/Postcards.html
Masseuse
06-07-2005, 17:58
Ta Lizzieloo, those look gorgeous.
Will definitely avoid the Winchester. :D
Chorlton
06-07-2005, 18:23
plannin to do any walking masseuse?
one of my own favourite spots is by langdale pikes - now i usually stay at the national trust campsite but the olde dungeon ghyll and the new dungeon ghyll are hotels and are beside the stickle barn tavern so you have 3 pubs there and nowt else but hills - there are some outstanding walks for all abilities, a simple walk up to stickle tarn which is a beautiful place for picknicks or whatever - andn if you fancy there are planety of more adventurous walks you can do from there before heading back to the stickle tavern which has i think a no smoking room, a late license and is pet friendly - and a fine slection of ales. Its also open from 8am for breakfast - its everything a pub should be!
if you then want to go to a town, ambleside is about 15 minute drive away and has stacks of things to do, and eat.. and drink...
Masseuse
06-07-2005, 18:28
I think walking may be on the agenda ;).
Sounds like I may get stuck in a few taverns on my way though :)
lizzieloo
06-07-2005, 18:29
plannin to do any walking masseuse?
one of my own favourite spots is by langdale pikes - now i usually stay at the national trust campsite but the olde dungeon ghyll and the new dungeon ghyll are hotels and are beside the stickle barn tavern so you have 3 pubs there and nowt else but hills - there are some outstanding walks for all abilities, a simple walk up to stickle tarn which is a beautiful place for picknicks or whatever - andn if you fancy there are planety of more adventurous walks you can do from there before heading back to the stickle tavern which has i think a no smoking room, a late license and is pet friendly - and a fine slection of ales. Its also open from 8am for breakfast - its everything a pub should be!
if you then want to go to a town, ambleside is about 15 minute drive away and has stacks of things to do, and eat.. and drink...
That is definately the perfect place to collapse after a long walk
Masseuse
06-07-2005, 18:31
I'm liking the look of Eskdale. I want to go on the open-topped steam train! :)
I am off oop North for the old family duty visit in a couple of weeks and am thinking of paying the Lake District a visit for a couple of days. Never been and have no idea of the best places to go.
Any recommendations of where to go/places to stay/things to do/sights etc? Cheap as poss! But I ain't doing no camping. :mad: Looking on the net but it's just confusing me. Veering towards Keswick at the mo.
I thank you. :cool:
Keswick is cool, I originally hail from kendal, but it is pretty expensive, as it is touristified. Also get to Conniston. You could go rowing on Lake Windermere. Not sure how much it will cost these days, been a couple of years, but it is fun and relaxing. Kendal has many pubs, and is quite attractive, but Saturday night is when the woollybacks come out for some drunkeness and cruelty.
lizzieloo
06-07-2005, 22:28
I'm liking the look of Eskdale. I want to go on the open-topped steam train! :)
We went on that train :) toot toot
It goes to Ravenglass, it's got a strange other world feel to it. (Ravenglass not the train)
Kid_Eternity
06-07-2005, 22:29
Windemere, went their last summer and its amazing!
We went on that train :) toot toot
It goes to Ravenglass, it's got a strange other world feel to it. (Ravenglass not the train)
L'arl Ratty. I have been on this train.
Masseuse
27-07-2005, 15:18
I can now confirm that Eskdale is ace. :cool:
Lovely little valley with stunning walks over the mountains. Ample opportunity for getting lost, especially after dropping acid and reading the ordnance survey map upside down. The hike up to stanley ghyll is worth the effort just to jump in the waterfall pool at the end. And there is a brilliant 10 mile stagger over to Wasswater, the lake at the foot of Scafell.
I have learned the value of sticking to the path and making sure you have left enough time to get back before dark. Oh how I had to leg it back to make sure I was still in chance of a pint. :p
Wilderness is where it's at baby. :cool:
And there is a brilliant 10 mile stagger over to Wasswater, the lake at the foot of Scafell.
Wastwater, surely?
:confused:
Masseuse
27-07-2005, 17:24
Aye, that be the one. :cool:
lizzieloo
27-07-2005, 20:52
I can now confirm that Eskdale is ace. :cool:
Lovely little valley with stunning walks over the mountains. Ample opportunity for getting lost, especially after dropping acid and reading the ordnance survey map upside down. The hike up to stanley ghyll is worth the effort just to jump in the waterfall pool at the end. And there is a brilliant 10 mile stagger over to Wasswater, the lake at the foot of Scafell.
I have learned the value of sticking to the path and making sure you have left enough time to get back before dark. Oh how I had to leg it back to make sure I was still in chance of a pint. :p
Wilderness is where it's at baby. :cool:
I'm so glad you went to Eskdale. It's a bit forgotten which is what makes it so nice :)
Did you go to 'The Boot' and have a cheese and apple sarnie?
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Masseuse
27-07-2005, 21:08
I stayed at the Boot for 2 nights and had sheperdess pie. :p
lizzieloo
27-07-2005, 21:13
I stayed at the Boot for 2 nights and had sheperdess pie. :p
I love that pub :)
It's so nice in the winter all cosy.
Edited cos it made me sound like a right freak :rolleyes:
My grandparents farmed in Ennerdale for 40 years so I spent some decent time up there as a child, including, because my grandparents knew one of the drivers, rides in the cab of the Ravenglass and Eskdale railway. Possibly one of my favourite places in the world Eskdale, don't miss it!
Off up there myself this weekend actually, my gran lives near Blencathra now and off to the Lowther horse trials then a spot of climbing / walking up above Derwent Water. Lovely.
Roadkill
02-08-2005, 10:36
Me and some friends hotboxed a carriage on T'laal Ratty when we stayed in Eskdale a few years ago. When we opened the doors at eskdale Green station the dope smoke just rolled out after us in a thick, greasy cloud... :D
Ravenglass is a bit Royston Vasey-ish, but the rest of that area is lovely. :cool: :cool:
what's the best (ie cheap) way to get there from London?
or do you need a car to get around..
Masseuse
02-08-2005, 20:46
It's easier to get to Windermere or Keswick than Eskdale really. Either way it is bloody expensive by train. I got a cheap flight up to Manchester (which didn't work out that cheap cos the airline went bust while we were up there and I had to national Express it back :mad: :D ). From Manchester airport it was about 40 quid return to Ravenglass and you have to change at Lancaster and Barrow-in-Furness where you have to endure an hour and a half wait in the most miserable waiting room on the planet.
So it's a pain in the arse to get to, basically. But once there it is definitley worth it. Turned me into a real-ale swilling, 20 mile hiking, acid-crazed hippy rambler. Excellent. :)
Eskdale is a bit of a pain to get to by public transport (train to Lancaster or Carlisle and then slow train to Ravenglass then one to Garthdale), but Kendal, Windermere & Keswick are dead easy. You probably wouldnt want to stay in Windermere tho, imo. However the utterly magnificent Grasmere is only a short easy bus ride away, and thats the very heart of the Lakes. There are plenty of great walks around there of very varying degrees of length and `difficulty`. Its probably the best place to be based if you have no car. Tho I might be biased as we`ve just come back from a carless trip up there.
Keswick isnt a bad base, and Castlerigg is walkable from there, which is well worthwhile at dusk/dawn.
Buses run, but are quite expensive and the fact that most of the time they seem to stop at the same stop whichever direction they`re going in can be rather confuising to say the least!
Should be noted that Virgin do ridiculously cheap 14 day advance fares; I'm going return to Penrith (buses on to Keswick) for £18 each way first class, it's only about £10 standard I think although they are more limited.
Gavin Bl
04-08-2005, 12:04
I'd like to put a word in for a lovely day or so - taking the ferry over Ullswater from Pooley Bridge to Glenridding. Windermere's not a patch on Ullswater IMO.
Then from Glenridding you are at the base of Helvellyn - up there via the Striding Edge, which is very do able as long as you are reasonably fit and have tidy boots. But you are likely to cack yourself :D The view from the top is fantastic.
Also by there is Castlerigg Stone Circle - which isn't very big or anything, but has a special atmosphere (and I don't normally go for mystical stuff like that)
cheers
Gav.
Random One
04-08-2005, 12:13
Make sure u go on one of those "safari" tours of the lake district..you get to see some amazing places and the drivers who take you round know loads of cool stories about the area and it's a really good few hours:)
up there via the Striding Edge, which is very do able as long as you are reasonably fit and have tidy boots. But you are likely to cack yourself :D The view from the top is fantastic.
A pile of us were going to do this on Boxing Day a couple of years back but a blizzard rolled in and convinced us that it might be a bit stupid - so we climbed the nearest hill instead and then slid down on our arses :) I still intend to walk it one day.
Our family used to holiday there every summer when I was small - I have many memories of sit down protests by my sister on walks around Derwent Water. I reckon our parents only took us on so many hikes to knacker us out so we didn't hassle them when they wanted to get hammered back at the hotel!
It is so beautiful - you lot have inspired me to try and get back out there asap.
http://www.thewalkzone.co.uk/Lake_District/walk_36/180203f.jpg
Oo-er.
Glad we didn't try in the snow..... :eek:
Billy Hunt
04-08-2005, 12:21
There is nothing better than a gentle stroll round Buttermere :cool:
Gavin Bl
04-08-2005, 12:44
There is nothing better than a gentle stroll round Buttermere
And geolgoy fans - if thats the one I'm thinking off, you get a lovely view of its classic glaciated 'U' shape from the pass above, Seatoller is it?
Some nice glacial erratics and roche moutonee about too - ooo, I like a nice glaciated feature
DrRingDing
04-08-2005, 12:47
Also by there is Castlerigg Stone Circle - which isn't very big or anything, but has a special atmosphere (and I don't normally go for mystical stuff like that)
cheers
Gav.
That is truely fantastic not for teh stones as they are nowt special but the panoramic views and fucking wicked.
DrRingDing
04-08-2005, 12:48
the old man of coniston is a pretty good walk too.
Billy Hunt
04-08-2005, 12:52
Google Earth has some fantastic detail of The Lake District :cool:
bump!
Photo and i have just booked a self-catering place in keswick for a week in september - can't wait!!! :cool:
aah, there's some lovely walks round Keswick. Nice n short ones n all, divine!
bump!
Photo and i have just booked a self-catering place in keswick for a week in september - can't wait!!! :cool:Had a week near keswick last year - was brill. Are you thinking of hillwalking???
This time me and 18 others :eek: are getting a couple of cottages in ambleside for week in september :cool:
i wonder how many will come back?!
yeah we'll be hillwalking :) not sure if we'll try skiddaw tho - might stick to stuff like catbells :D
really looking forward to seeing castlerigg again. hope the weather perks up, it's been shit all summer. but i have a theory that it's gonna be a hot autumn so fingers x'd!
edit: we did a week further south, near coniston, in april, it was great :) ambleside is rather tea-shoppy but nice. there's a great shop doing homemade chutneys and other yummy things, well worth a visit!
(oh and check the smallest house in the world :D )
yeah we'll be hillwalking :) not sure if we'll try skiddaw tho - might stick to stuff like catbells :Doh youve GOT to try skiddaw... and skafell pike if youre brave!... catbells is barely an incline! :p And go check out the world's only pencil museum in keswick!
really looking forward to seeing castlerigg again.Hippy!
but it WAS nice spending a day at the stones :o
edit: we did a week further south, near coniston, in april, it was great :) ambleside is rather tea-shoppy but nice. there's a great shop doing homemade chutneys and other yummy things, well worth a visit!
(oh and check the smallest house in the world) Hmmm, yes was wondering what ambleside might be like... never been down that way before... but i dont think those going with us will be veering away too far from cream teas and scones... lard arses the lot of them
if you go to coniston, try the bluebird bitter at the black bull; so nice that Photo now orders it online by the crate!
http://www.conistonbrewery.com/
btw - great pics here! -
http://www.virtual-lakes.co.uk/menugallery.htm
if you go to coniston, try the bluebird bitter at the black bull; so nice that Photo now orders it online by the crate!
http://www.conistonbrewery.com/nice one! :cool: thats the evenings sorted then...
oh and i'm sure Photo would want me to mention that there's a very good butchers in ambleside, if you're self-catering and not veggie - can't remember the name but it's on compston st, i think - map here -
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=337500.485092258&Y=504000.863437486&width=700&height=400&gride=337733.485092258&gridn=504121.863437486&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=freegaz&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=10000&up.x=285&up.y=4
Phototropic
22-08-2005, 14:00
Yeah they proper tasty pies :cool:
Yeah they proper tasty pies :cool:down with your carnivorous ways :mad:
<fills slingshot with dried chickpeas>
Phototropic
22-08-2005, 14:24
down with your carnivorous ways :mad:
<fills slingshot with dried chickpeas>
:D
Oooo no the tofu man is angry with me.
:D
Oooo no the tofu man is angry with me.i'll give you tofu maaan... you red-faced butchers boy :mad: ;)
butchers boy
what are you inferring about the relationship between butchers and Photo?! :eek:
what are you inferring about the relationship between butchers and Photo?! :eek:i aint sayin nuffin...
...but id ask yourself how he acquires all that expensive lean, prime quality beef fillet that he brings home in a carrier bag.
<Taps nose and winks ;) >
nuff said...
I'm thinking of going to Keswick in mid November for my birthday... what's the best/cheapest way to get there from London? and where's the best place to go walking around the town? (accessible by foot or public transport).
Anyone been to this B&B? Burnside (www.burnside-keswick.co.uk/)
I'm thinking of going to Keswick in mid November for my birthday... what's the best/cheapest way to get there from London? and where's the best place to go walking around the town? (accessible by foot or public transport).
cheapest way will be by coach unfortunately, tho you can probably gt a reasonable price train ticket. About £50 I think, if booked sufficiently in advance.
It's pretty easy to get to some decent places by foot & public transport, does depend on how much waling you want to do and how difficult, of course. Cats Bells is a decent stroll, you just get a boat across the lake thing, which is quite nice in itself. Castlerigg's an easy walk too, n well worth it (I've probably mentioned it already in the thread)
50 quid? it looks like flying out to spain might be cheaper after all! :mad:
oh yes! actually, it could even be cheaper to fly to blackpool & then get a train!
(just checked - coach would be £33.50, and takes 9.5 hours!
can ya fly from London to Blackpool?
with Ryaniar from Stanstead - £15 all in return at the mo!
since keswick might be too hard to get to by public transport... anyone know if there are good walks around penrith? what's there to see?
there's an hourly bus from penrith to keswick, rennie.
penrith is on the very edge of the lakes (outside the national park even I think) & isn't the best spot for 'doing' the lakes from, but it is still pretty nice. A good castle, and a fair bit of really old stuff still around, from when it was the Capital of Scottish Cumbria.
As for walking, you're actually closer to the Eden Valley in Penrith, which is quite nice, not as hard as the lakes. And I'd be fairly sure there must be some good lakes walks nearby too, but can't remember doing any from there.
yeah but if you get the bus to keswick you're in a pretty good position. if you stay in keswick, there are buses to grasmere and buttermere so you can walk round there as well as derwentwater.
4 days to go - excited!!!!! :cool:
keswick will be brill :cool:
check well in advance about rail works if youre travelling at the weekend tho... we came unstuck trying to book this and so 18 of us then ended up having to make all sorts of different arrangements to get there :eek:
And getting to stansted (on the train) will probably cost you as much as the flight itself! You can get coaches from Liverpool street up there too
yeah but if you get the bus to keswick you're in a pretty good position. if you stay in keswick, there are buses to grasmere and buttermere so you can walk round there as well as derwentwater.
4 days to go - excited!!!!! :cool:
damn right!
Grasmere is so damned cool and groovy it should be illegal
yeah but if you get the bus to keswick you're in a pretty good position. if you stay in keswick, there are buses to grasmere and buttermere so you can walk round there as well as derwentwater.
4 days to go - excited!!!!! :cool:theres even an open top bus (but i think they have the sense not to run them in the middle of november)
4 days! :cool: 6 days and counting til ambleside for me.
<gets surfboard and flipflops out of cupboard> ;)
check well in advance about rail works if youre travelling at the weekend tho
i take it you didn't see my thread in the transport forum then?! :mad:
Grasmere is so damned cool and groovy it should be illegal
i shall say this only once - GINGERBREAD :cool: :cool: :cool:
(they sell it in harrods for £7 a packet y'know!! :eek: )
seven quid??!! seven quid????!!!!!!
We bought some when we went a month ago (I assume we are talking about 'Sarah Nelson's Gingerbread Shop' here), and bought several chunks - some of which we forgopt all about until last week!
And it was still gorgeous.
Propper ginger bread and fentimans ginger beer, yummy!
My parents live in Newbiggin-on-Lune which is a tiny hamlet between Kendal and Kirkby Stephen.......I'll be there in 2 weeks. :)
There's a massive difference between the Eden Valley and the Lake District - Eden Valley towns (Kirkby Stephen, Appleby, Penrith etc.) are like Royston Vasey compared to the much more cosmopolitan and easygoing Lake tourist towns like Keswick and Windemere......
I assume we are talking about 'Sarah Nelson's Gingerbread Shop' here
oh yes.
Photo hadn't been before - we took him there when we were up staying near coniston in april and he looked like all his christmases had come at once :D
i think we're going to have to plan a day's walking around the grasmere bus just so that he can go stock up on as much gingerbread as he can fit in his rucksack!!
edit: lyra, what a shame we're not going up a week later, then we coulda met you for a pint!!
incidentally, while we're at it, anyone got any recommendations for keswick pubs and particular types of ale worth a try? not for me so much as for Photo - he loves discovering new beers, bless him :D
but we'll be leaving london at 7pm on a friday to return monday... giving not much time to get anywhere. :(
Twa Dogs Inn is good, and the Queens Head is alright. Yates Brewery is local, but I cant honestly remember much about the beer itself.
are like Royston Vasey
what's that? :confused:
but we'll be leaving london at 7pm on a friday to return monday... giving not much time to get anywhere. :(
you could get a taxi from penrith to keswick? book it to meet the london train. i thinkit's about £20 but if there are a few of you it'll divide up nicely.
belboid - cheers, will make a note of those.
what's that? :confused:
League of Gentlemen village - sounds a bit unfair for Penrith, but completely accurate for the dump that is Kirkby Stephen
you could get a taxi from penrith to keswick?
only two! and we want to get away for as little as possible. hmmm.
lyra, what a shame we're not going up a week later, then we coulda met you for a pint!!
I know! Especially as I'll actually have the wonderful resource of grandparent-babysitters. :)
i take it you didn't see my thread in the transport forum then?! :mad:doh :o no. Sorrrrrrry!
If its any consolation we got caught out too... now our trip involves 3 vehicles in various states of road worthiness, and a several people coming and going on different days because the west coast mainline is sheeeeiiitte
What way of getting up did you settle on?
League of Gentlemen village - sounds a bit unfair for Penrith, but completely accurate for the dump that is Kirkby Stephen
Yes, Penrith isn't that bad until you scratch the surface, but in terms of Twilight Zone-ness Appleby beats Kirkby Stephen hands down. It may be prettier, but the locals are terrifying (I think I can say that cos me mam was born there - escaped to London when she was 16). :D
What way of getting up did you settle on?
sucks dunnit :mad: fucking bastards :mad:
we're going london->leeds, then leeds->langwathby on the train, then taxi from langwathby.
on the way back, we're going to get the bus to penrith then a taxi to langwathby, then train to leeds, and stay with my sister overnight and get a lift back down south the following day from my parents, who are coincidentally visiting my sister that weekend.
sucks dunnit :mad: fucking bastards :mad:
we're going london->leeds, then leeds->langwathby on the train, then taxi from langwathby.
on the way back, we're going to get the bus to penrith then a taxi to langwathby, then train to leeds, and stay with my sister overnight and get a lift back down south the following day from my parents, who are coincidentally visiting my sister that weekend.good grief... :eek:
have you booked another holiday to recover from that?!
Minibuses r us
i know, tis rather crap. not nearly as crap as i thought it was going to be for a while tho, the national rail website was telling me to go via newcastle and carlisle!! :rolleyes:
we were going to go visit my sister anyway, as her computer needs sorting out and Photo's the man for the job. so it makes sense to go via her place on the way back.
and we might treat ourselves and get a taxi straight from keswick to langwathby on the way back, depending how rich we feel.
the way there isn't tooooo bad, we'll be there by 3. not nearly as nice as just getting on the train in london and off in penrith but i'm trying not to think about that!
could be worse - even from Sheffield, and with all the trains running we needed to change twice and get a bus!
If it were too easy, everyone would be there and it wouldn't be as nice anyway :)
If it were too easy, everyone would be there and it wouldn't be as nice anyway :)
i'll tell myself that on saturday when our train out of london is delayed and messes up our connections :D :rolleyes: ;)
could be worse - even from Sheffield, and with all the trains running we needed to change twice and get a bus!
If it were too easy, everyone would be there and it wouldn't be as nice anyway :)i know. My friend and her two kids are part of our group and they're coming from sheffield... its gonna be a right mare to get them and their stuff up to ambleside :mad:
this thread is making NOT want to go to the lake district. shitty transport! :mad:
DrRingDing
19-09-2005, 15:07
Kea, I heartily reccomend going up to the stone cirlce a short distance away.
It's called Castlerigg and has amazing panaoramic views.
I've spent a few very happy sunsets there.
Call me a hippy if you will but I find the place absolutely spellbinding.
http://www.stonehenge.brain-jogging.com/castler.jpg
http://www.burnside-keswick.co.uk/images/image_castlerigg_large.jpg
DrRingDing
19-09-2005, 15:08
The harsh truth of the matter is you need a car to get to the best walks.
Can you blag one?
was that a Q for me? nope... i don't like driving in this country (wrong side n all that and the Mr doesn't have a license).
Kea, I heartily reccomend going up to the stone cirlce a short distance away.
yes i know, i've been a few times :)
(i spent a lot of time in the lake district as a child ... i can still remember the soggy cottage cheese and cucumber sarnies http://www.longdog.karoo.net/smilies/throwup.gif )
last time i was there (castlerigg i mean) was in april, when it was ruddy freezing :eek:
i'm definitely looking forward to going back! might even try to catch sunrise or sunset there, since we'll be staying so near.
incidentally, i have a castlerigg pic as my background on my work PC!
Kea, I heartily reccomend going up to the stone cirlce a short distance away.
It's called Castlerigg and has amazing panaoramic views.
good man - nice to see someone backing up the recomendation I must have made three times on his thread already :) :p
(it's best at around sunrise, the light on the hills around the stones is just utterly utterly awesome)
& you don't need a car to get out to loads of good walks, loads can be done really easy by foot/public transport. Obviously it gives you more leeway, with times and everything, but its still well doable.
Phototropic
19-09-2005, 15:37
So looking forward to seeing the Lake District again. been there twice now (that I can rememeber).
Kea I got the train tickets. All ten of them :D
Kea I got the train tickets. All ten of them :D
:eek: cool. can you PM me how much they cost?
edit: wow, the tickets are much cheaper than i expected!!! :cool:
So, to rephrase my Q... anyone know any good/cheap B&Bs or pubs in Penrith accessible by public transport?
bump! going up there tomorrow! :cool:
bump! going up there tomorrow! :cool:you wouldnt be excited, by any chance...
... off there on sunday meself! whooopeee! :cool:
hurrah! holidays for everyone! :D
i am sooooo looking forward to this. as long as all the transport works properly, that is
<touches wood>
as long as all the transport works properly, that is
<touches wood>well now youve said it! :eek:
While we've probably got more control over transport (going up in a minibus) i dont rate the idea of being cramped in the back of a van with 10 other bleary eyed walkers (and our packs) for god knows how long...
anyone know any good sing-songs for the journey? :)
<...passes travel sweets around>
DrRingDing
23-09-2005, 09:52
bump! going up there tomorrow! :cool:
Have a good'un :cool:
Long walks, stone circles, pubs, mountains and cream teas! Iife doesn't get any better ;)
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