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Lisarocket
18-04-2005, 19:12
Hello,
This is the wrestling thread.
Following on from the 'what's your favourite wrestler of all time?' thread, which Ninjaboy started...and it didn't get binned this time :D
Here is the thread to discuss all that is great and good about wrestling.
Call it sports entertainment, wrestling, or just something fun to watch...wrestling does have a place in the sports forum.
It could be WWF/E or Sumo, doesn't matter...sweaty men throwing each other about the place seems to appeal to enough urbanites to merit it's own thread...
So here it is..... :cool:
Wrestling......discuss :D
Donna Ferentes
18-04-2005, 19:14
Chiyonofuji.
montevideo
18-04-2005, 19:18
as been pointed out ric flair was, & is, the man.
A respectful second goes to sid justice (nee vicious) for the feat of a permanent sneer.
Lisarocket
18-04-2005, 19:21
as been pointed out ric flair was, & is, the man.
Sorry, but the Ric Flair comedy falling over is a bridge too far for me really :D
Isn't Ric Flair like... 90 years old now?
Wowbagger
18-04-2005, 20:20
as been pointed out ric flair was, & is, the man.
Whooo!
The case against: Flair Flop. I like it, but fair enough.
The case for: Greatest interview ever, greatest in-ring storyteller ever, biggest and most flagrant cheat ever, sixteen times heavyweight champion of the world, has helped elevate countless young wrestlers, rarely got involved in politics, no slouch as a booker either.
I think we have a winner!
Nine Bob Note
19-04-2005, 00:10
I never got round to stating my favourite wrestlers (in a theatrical sense) on the other thread. Lemme think (ney reminisce) and post everything I remember, in a half-arsed sort of way...
Wrestlers...
Doink the Clown - Two great plots. First, there was the second Doink under the ring, which began at WM9 in a match against Crush. Second Doink played by the guy who used to be Skinner, I recently discovered. Then the Dink, Wink and Pink saga, with a different midget being unveiled every week, until they ended up against Jerry Lawler and his three midgets in a SS match.
Tatanka - From when I first got into wrestling. Undefeated for years and years, until he went up against Ludvig Borga, then he turned into a baddie and I went off him.
Shawn Michaels - From the early Heartbreak Kid stage, when he was with Sensational Sherri, and carried a giant mirror around with him.
Adam Bomb - Loved the outfit, tolerated his manager, Johnny Polo. Looking back, I think I may have fancied him a bit (AB, not the twat in the novelty slippers.) Whatever happened to him? I can't think of anyone else he may have played.
Papa Shango - Loved the outfit and all the Voodoo stuff, especially the firework thing he blinded the Undertaker with (at UK Rampage, IIRC) Came back as Kama. Dull as hell.
Mr Hughes - Dunno why I liked him. Liked him as Kamala, too. Looked like he'd been up all night playing poker and smoking cigars in the back room of a strip joint.
Randy Savage - From the Macho King days, and later on the Macho Man, with the jackets and the glasses.
Tag teams...
Million Dollar Man & IRS - Loved the scene at WM9 with, I think, the Hulk going through IRS's briefcase, pulling out several bricks and then throwing wads of cash into the crowds. Not sure who thought a millionaire and a taxman would work well together, but they did.
Demolition, from the old days, before Crush took over from Ax. Did they have a manager? I forget...
Notable mention to the Genius, for the sheer ludicrousness of it all
Managers...
Mr Fuji, from the earlier Orient Express days, with his rather dapper suit & bowler and the walking cane which inevitably ended up being broken across someone's back. Didn't like the baldie in the kimono with the bucket of salt.
Paul Bearer "Ohww yeeeaaahhhhsss" but only with the Undertaker. Mankind can fuck off.
Jimmy Hart, when he was a baddy, with Money Inc, the Nasties and Earthquake.
Theme music...
Orient Express - Anyone know where I can get it on mp3? :D
M$M / Money Inc, Headshrinkers, Kamala, HBK,
I can get back to my essay, now, which so far isn't as lengthy as this post :cool: Gonna have to get back into the WWE when I get a job and can buy all the DVDs.
CyberRose
19-04-2005, 00:52
I always liked the British Bulldog for obvious reasons but can anyone remember those two Irish guys in the tag team? They used to wave Union Jacks which I thought was odd (then again it is America and Geography may not be the strong point of the average WWF fan!)
Legion of Doom were my favorite tag team and my favorite moment was when that clown called Donk (or Doink?) was fightin someone and he had someone dressed up the same under the ring who swapped over when he got tired!
Wowbagger
19-04-2005, 00:55
Adam Bomb - Loved the outfit, tolerated his manager, Johnny Polo. Looking back, I think I may have fancied him a bit (AB, not the twat in the novelty slippers.) Whatever happened to him? I can't think of anyone else he may have played.
Had a long and boring career playing a musclebound knucklehead. I think he was most recently seen on TV the last time KroniK were on PPV, in a quite unbelievably boring tag-team match with Undertaker and Kane just after the Invasion started, and the pair of them wrestled themselves right out of a big fat contract.
i_hate_beckham
19-04-2005, 01:14
I always liked the British Bulldog for obvious reasons but can anyone remember those two Irish guys in the tag team?
If memory serves one of them was Fit Finally, who can been seen breaking up fights in the WWE along with Dean Malenko, dunno why Maleko isnt wrestling though, he isnt as old as some of the stars in the WWE.
Nine Bob Note
19-04-2005, 01:20
I always liked the British Bulldog for obvious reasons
I got a photo of me with him after a show at Blackpool Tower when I was about ten, somewhere, but after an hours searching, I can't find it :( :confused: His wife, or it could have been his female manager was an impatient bitch, as I remember :cool:
i_hate_beckham
19-04-2005, 02:13
I miss The British Bulldog, i can't undrstand why he isnt in the WWE Hall of Fame yet.
wrestling is a bit sick...
my brother trained wrestling in his early teens,
he told me all about how it was all staged and the tricks they were taught to make it look "more real"...it was all fake
-glad he ditched it for asian martial arts later on, at least that's the real shit, not a bunch of mullet-haired guys in trikots running around playing who's the baddest...
imo, of course... :p :(
Dubversion
19-04-2005, 02:57
http://www.kendonagasaki.com/open.jpg
^
"bring out the gimp!"?? :confused: :p
*start surf rock anthem*
Dubversion
19-04-2005, 03:11
Kendo Nagasaki
A true enigma of the British wrestling scene, the man known as Kendo Nagasaki was a part of the industry for nearly 40 years and, in that time, cultivated a legend that endures to this day. Hidden behind a red mask lined with white stripes to simulate the imposing visage of the headgear worn in a formal kendo match and maintaining a stony silence, Kendo Nagasaki was an intimidating sight to behold both in and out of the ring. This combined with a genuine understanding of the theatrical aspect of professional wrestling and a certain degree of athleticism made him an effective performer and a superb villain.
Actual details as to the identity of the man behind the mask of Kendo Nagasaki are exceptionally hard to come by as the aura of mystery surrounding the character has been well maintained over the years. Some sources claim that he was born on the 14 October, but they then strangely neglect to pin down the exact year or even the location in which the event took place. Some even name the man as one 'Peter Thornley', which is a perfectly average moniker, but add nothing more of the mysterious Mr Thornley's biography. And the man himself obviously never spoke, instead leaving the talking to his manager 'Gorgeous' George Gillette whose verbiage was more than enough for the pair of them together.
The duo of Kendo Nagasaki and Gillette went to great lengths to mystify their audience devising complex pre-match rituals echoing Oriental rites of purification and religious tribute. These rituals they would perform in the ring before the audience and the opponent, often assisted by hooded acolytes and tossing around powdered 'salt' much like the formalised preparations surrounding a bout of sumo wrestling (the same variety of 'salt' which has long been a favourite option for a villainous manager to throw in the eyes of the good guy when his charge is in imminent danger of losing the match). The masked wrestler also carried with him a Katana, the sword traditionally carried by Japanese Samurai warriors. In all it was a powerful combination of over-the-top pantomime and genuine intimidation.
One thing that can be documented however, is the exploits of Kendo Nagasaki in the wrestling ring. Nagasaki made his professional debut in November, 1964, in a match against 'Jumping' Jim Hussey at Willenhall Baths. Eight years later he crossed the Atlantic to work for the legendary Stu Hart (father of Bret 'Hitman' Hart and the late Owen Hart) in his Stampede Wrestling promotion on a tour of Canada and North America.
Like many wrestlers before and since, Nagasaki also made the transition from sports-entertainer to actor. Nagasaki played the role of 'Death Angel' in a drama penned by the Barnsley-born wrestler turned thespian Brian Glover titled The Wild Bunch produced by Granada Television. He again appeared on the small screen in a non-wrestling capacity as a guest on the edition of the long-running television show This is Your Life which paid tribute to his in-ring adversary Big Daddy.
One of the enduring themes of Kendo Nagasaki's career was, of course, his mask and exactly what lay beneath it. It has to be said that in general masked wrestlers in North American and European pro-wrestling have been as popular as Vaseline on toast. Unlike the luchadors of South America, whose masks form an integral part of their style and identity in the ring, a masked wrestler in the West usually has his face hidden away due to the fact that he is simply too mundane and boring to elicit any reaction from the audience without it. In the case of British wrestling in particular many promoters used to stick a mask over the head of a particularly nondescript wrestler after his first match of the night, give him a change of ring attire and send him out to work a second match as the mysterious masked grappler. Masked wrestlers like Mick Foley's Mankind character, Kane, The Hurricane and Kendo Nagasaki himself are few and far between.
The fact that Kendo Nagasaki was almost never seen without the mask was of course one of the most intriguing aspects of the character and as a result his matches often featured an attempt on the part of his opponent to remove it. Only Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks can boast of having actually achieved this feat. Big Daddy did so on TV in December, 1975; Giant Haystacks pulled off the mask in October, 1991, in an effort to relieve Nagasaki of the CWA world title.
But none were more aware of the insatiable curiosity as to what lay beneath the mask than Nagasaki and Gillette themselves. Playing on this in the late 1970s, the pair let it be known that the time had come for Kendo Nagasaki to reveal his face to the world. So in December, 1977, at the Wolverhampton Civic Hall, the audience bore witness to an elaborate ceremony involving all the theatrics for which Nagasaki and his entourage were famous. Attended by hooded acolytes and to the backing of a droning chant, Kendo Nagasaki's mask was slowly removed to reveal... a man with the shape of a star tattooed upon his forehead and a top-knot of black hair atop a head which had been otherwise shaved bald. As for his face, this seemed perfectly average to a world which might have been expecting a scarred or otherwise terrible visage to be hiding behind the mask.
Maybe the unmasking failed to elicit the reaction that Nagasaki had hoped for, or perhaps he realised the importance of the mask to the character that he was portraying. Either way, Nagasaki wrestled for a short time without the mask, but eventually donned it once more and continued to do so for the rest of his career in the ring.
Like many other pro-wrestlers, Kendo Nagasaki announced his retirement from sports-entertainment only to be lured back into the ring more than once by the draw of the business. In the spring of 1978 Nagasaki retired on medical grounds and devoted his attention to the world of rock management. But he was back in the ring by December, 1986. He remained active in the ring until 1993 when he retired once more, this time to 'pursue his role in commerce'.
Still alive and well at the time of writing, Kendo Nagasaki began work on his autobiography in 2002
more here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/getwriting/A978348)
But "Kendo" is the name of an ancient, noble martial arts form, cherished to this day...It is a sort of fencing with big sticks or something...I was going to start that after quitting karate but some fucker kicked my knee so badly that i had to stop those sports for good...
Japanese students have Kendo as part of their sports-cultural curriculum, running away after calligraphy lessons to put on the big black baggy pants and mask and kick each other silly with those big scary sticks...a way to teach kids coordination skills, zen-focus and concentration... :) :cool:
Dubversion
19-04-2005, 03:22
that's part of his appeal/dreadfulness - he obviously just thought of two really obvious japanese words and stuck them together...
a stunning combination of ersatz mystery / drama and shabby, tawdry 70s awfulness :)
a stunning combination of ersatz mystery / drama and shabby, tawdry 70s awfulness :)
-a bit like the appeal of so many "wilfully obscure" pop artists...;) :D
Dubversion
19-04-2005, 03:27
another wrestling weirdness.. when Bob Mould of Husker Du withdrew from the biz in the late 90s, he was a scriptwriter for US wrestling:
And here's another way in which Husker Du was influential, and this has nothing to do with music. Bob Mould is a huge fan of professional wrestling, and since Minneapolis was the headquarters of the American wrestling association, he was able to infiltrate the league, sometimes working as a timekeeper or a ring announcer for matches.
Soon, a new wrestler named Jesse The Body Ventura started showing up at Husker Du gigs. And as the years passed, Bob become more and more involved in pro wrestling, right to the point where be became a scriptwriter for Ted Turners WCW for a while in the late 90s. Punk rock and pro wrestling: it works, doesnt it?
i once read an article about Sumo wrestlers where one section was dedicated to exploring the love-life of these (obviously) giant men infiltrating the japanese psyche...
apparently, a Sumo wrestler can't fuck in the missionary position because he then would squeeze his poor woman to death, in fact the only position available to him is lying on his back, motionless like a baby, while the little woman climbs on top of him... one of these lovely ladies were quoted saying: "it seems so strange at first- but when you've had a sumo wrestler once, there's no going back, you won't want normal sex again"(...)
kained&able
19-04-2005, 09:30
sorry ric falir is the what?????
he is shite and has always been shite, constanly wrestlers exactly the same match at exactly the same pace with exactly the same spots. One of the most limited move sets known to man. how he was ever a horseman i never can work out even arn anderson and paul orndorf out wrestle him and they are a hell of a lot tougher.
Flairs mic work is pretty danm good and he makes a danm could mouth piece of triple H these days but he has never been a great wrestler compared to the likes of ricky steamboat, bret hart and shawn micheals and the fact that ric is still aorund in the business is a joke oh and he is a shite booker(bloke whop decides what matches are done) its pretty much his fault that WCW folded.
so there :p
any watch TNA its all about the silly moonsaults.
dave
Whatever happened to The Ultimate Warrior?
Tag-teams were my favourite tho'
Bushwhackers, Demolition, Hart Foundation and Legion of Doom :cool:
Can't remember what the Irish duo were called...
What Ever Happened To... The Ultimate Warrior ?
Real Name: Jim Hellwig
A.k.a: The Ultimate Warrior
Category: Sports Heros
Claim To Fame: Pro Wrestling superstar in the 1980s, former WWF Heavyweight champion.
[The webmaster wonders out loud 'where to put wrestlers?' Show Biz? Sports?]
Where are they now?
No longer wrestles, maintains a website where he posts political rants that are essentially Ayn Rand on steroids. :D
Lisarocket
19-04-2005, 12:54
Whooo!
The case against: Flair Flop. I like it, but fair enough.
The case for: Greatest interview ever, greatest in-ring storyteller ever, biggest and most flagrant cheat ever, sixteen times heavyweight champion of the world, has helped elevate countless young wrestlers, rarely got involved in politics, no slouch as a booker either.
I think we have a winner!
He does bleed well though and that's always useful :D
I'm starting to agree with you....
and he's better than some of the other elder statesmen of Wrestling i.e.Hulk Hogan, who hasn't done anything apart from comedy 'Hulking up' for years. All that 'i am a real American' bollox really annoys me, especially at the last Wrestlemania when he came in to remove the Arab bloke.
it's all about the 'taker
i love the way wrestling is sometimes american politics translated into hilbilles
one of my favourite fights was when the DOA threw ahmed johnson out. then he came back with the naiton of domination and pearl river plunged them all
then they came back with their own gangs (which were all shite) and there was about 15 people scrapping in the ring with 2by4s
ahhhh, great days...
Dubversion
19-04-2005, 12:57
there's a generation split going on here isn't there?
i never cared for WWF - nonsense frankly - but spent many a happy 70s afternoon watching my nan shouting at Giant Haystacks on the telly...
ChrisFilter
19-04-2005, 12:59
sweet jesus, wrestling? :(
can we this nonsense out of the sports forum?!
Could say the same about Leicester Football Club Chris, it's not proper football is it? :p
I know it's scripted but it's entertaining, and some of the bumps that get taken are professional as hell. Personally i'm behind Shelton Benjamin to make it bigger than he has so far, amazing talent and fitness levels.
http://bodyslamming.com/wwe/pics/sheltonbenjamin.jpg
:cool:
Wowbagger
19-04-2005, 13:18
Oi! Warrior's real name is not Jim Hellwig. He changed his name by deed poll some years ago. He is now called 'Warrior' and will personally beat up anyone who mentions any part of his old name.
Here we go
19-04-2005, 14:30
there's a generation split going on here isn't there?
i never cared for WWF - nonsense frankly - but spent many a happy 70s afternoon watching my nan shouting at Giant Haystacks on the telly...
I remember going to see Giant Haystacks at Grangemouth town hall. Happy days!
there's a generation split going on here isn't there?
i never cared for WWF - nonsense frankly - but spent many a happy 70s afternoon watching my nan shouting at Giant Haystacks on the telly...There's also a split in the WWF era.
I grew up watching Wrestlemania and the Rumbles - lost interest when the WCW guys joined - nowadays it's all Raw and Smackdown...
i loved wrestling when i was a kid (1990), but only saw a few cos we didnt have sky or nowt
then we had sky when i was 18, (1998) and there was a couple of really good seasons. it is pretty cack at the moment, but mind you i havnt watched for about a year, so i wouldnt know
not too keen on the british wrestling, it's kind of a different thing....
dirtysanta
19-04-2005, 16:49
there's a generation split going on here isn't there?
i never cared for WWF - nonsense frankly - but spent many a happy 70s afternoon watching my nan shouting at Giant Haystacks on the telly...
aye. cant go wrong with dickie davies saturday afternoon watching Skull Murphy putting his well known "crocodile" or "boston crab" submission moves on the skinny unknown wrestlers that always took a beating in the tag team match ups
happy days
i_hate_beckham
19-04-2005, 17:18
Anybody watch LAW on the wretling channel its awesome. :cool: :cool: :cool:
kained&able
19-04-2005, 18:11
I know it's scripted but it's entertaining, and some of the bumps that get taken are professional as hell. Personally i'm behind Shelton Benjamin to make it bigger than he has so far, amazing talent and fitness levels.
danm right! and shelton is pretty it has to be said, but he has no charisma which means he wont rise that far.
dave
i_hate_beckham
19-04-2005, 18:35
Could say the same about Leicester Football Club Chris, it's not proper football is it? :p
I know it's scripted but it's entertaining, and some of the bumps that get taken are professional as hell. Personally i'm behind Shelton Benjamin to make it bigger than he has so far, amazing talent and fitness levels.
http://bodyslamming.com/wwe/pics/sheltonbenjamin.jpg
:cool:
Chris Jericho's performance of Fozzy's next hit "Shelton Benjamin is a little bitch" on RAW last night was hilarious. :D :D
Lisarocket
20-04-2005, 11:52
there's a generation split going on here isn't there?
i never cared for WWF - nonsense frankly - but spent many a happy 70s afternoon watching my nan shouting at Giant Haystacks on the telly...
There isn't really a generation split. I used to watch Kendo Nagasaki, Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks on World of Sport when i was a kid. but times have changed and WWF is the dominant force in Wrestling nowadays. That's why it's mostly WWF that's being discussed on this thread.
I still remember sadly the day that Shane McMahon got in the ring at a WCW PPV and announced that WWF (well him actually, as it was part of the WWF storyline at the time) had bought WCW.
It all went a bit downhill after that really. When there was competition it was more interesting.
I do still watch a bit of WWF(E) now, but not as regularly as i used to.
i_hate_beckham
20-04-2005, 18:34
There isn't really a generation split. I used to watch Kendo Nagasaki, Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks on World of Sport when i was a kid.
I thought you were younger than that. :eek:
Lisarocket
21-04-2005, 11:50
I thought you were younger than that. :eek:
Well, i was a kid in the 70's/80's. It doesn't mean that i'm ancient now
:p :D
or does it :confused: :(
Rocket Romano
21-04-2005, 13:30
Hehehe...anyone own copies of these?
http://img252.echo.cx/img252/9703/hulkhoganwrestlingbootband2fq.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img252.echo.cx/img252/6751/wrestling3xd.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
i even hated hulk hogan when i was a kid
i liked earthquake and tugboat, and of course the taker was the best....
i remember that series he did 'thunder in paradise' that used to be on saturday mornings....
i_hate_beckham
21-04-2005, 18:51
i remember that series he did 'thunder in paradise' that used to be on saturday mornings....
Oh God that sucked serious balls. :eek: :(
So do all his movies especially Mr Nanny. :( :(
just hulk in general sucked balls, and ultimate warrior
from that era, only macho man randy savage and jake the snake roberts i can remember off the top of my head
which just goes to show you need a cool nickname...
i_hate_beckham
23-04-2005, 20:47
just hulk in general sucked balls, and ultimate warrior
from that era, only macho man randy savage and jake the snake roberts i can remember off the top of my head
which just goes to show you need a cool nickname...
Like the man called STING!!
(not the wanky rock star)
Lisarocket
25-04-2005, 14:31
just hulk in general sucked balls, and ultimate warrior
from that era, only macho man randy savage and jake the snake roberts i can remember off the top of my head
which just goes to show you need a cool nickname...
Was Jake the snake the wrestler with the bad coke habit in that wrestling movie a few years back?
Chris Jericho's performance of Fozzy's next hit "Shelton Benjamin is a little bitch" on RAW last night was hilarious. :D :D
But so is Chris Jericho's beard. :D
Wowbagger
25-04-2005, 15:39
Was Jake the snake the wrestler with the bad coke habit in that wrestling movie a few years back?
Beyond the Mat, yes, that was Jake Roberts.
Like the man called STING!!
Don't you double-cross him
Or get in his way
Because if you do you're gonna have to pay
To the man called Sting!
Quality, quality choonage.
i_hate_beckham
25-04-2005, 21:46
Did anyone watch Destination X, the TNA PPV on The Wrestling Channel on sunday??
Rocket Romano
26-04-2005, 13:49
TNA is awful, no presentation quality, average matches and washed up and unwanted WWE superstars
i_hate_beckham
26-04-2005, 19:07
TNA is awful, no presentation quality, average matches and washed up and unwanted WWE superstars
You sir are a heathen!!!!
Lisarocket
27-04-2005, 12:47
Did anyone watch Destination X, the TNA PPV on The Wrestling Channel on sunday??
Don't get the wrestling channel :(
Wowbagger
27-04-2005, 13:16
CHRISTOPHER DANIELS
AJ STYLES
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WASHED UP
EX WWE
This is the secret message that stops vBulletin from being a bitch about the all-caps.
DOES NOT COMPUTE
ERROR
i_hate_beckham
27-04-2005, 19:26
CHRISTOPHER DANIELS
AJ STYLES
=
WASHED UP
EX WWE
This is the secret message that stops vBulletin from being a bitch about the all-caps.
DOES NOT COMPUTE
ERROR
When was The Phenominal AJ Styles in the WWE?
Wowbagger
27-04-2005, 19:31
Read it again. Carefully.
kained&able
27-04-2005, 21:28
I have had destination x since last month!!! just waiting for lockdown to be delivered(it was on sunday). destination x was brillinat the ultimate x match with skipper danails and aj doing silly acrobatics on the big x thing was genius!
I saw aj styles vs chris danails in coventry in march, it was very impressive.
oh shit and to sound like a geek aj styles was in wwe. He was just starting out in wcw when they got bought out by wwf and they just went through the lists cutting all the wcw people the didn't want and aj was nothing so let him go. ooops!
dave
Wowbagger
27-04-2005, 23:44
Wasn't his name Jason Jett? They head a really good little angle going there. If only Bisch and Fusient had been able to complete their takeover...
kained&able
28-04-2005, 09:02
nah he has always wrestled under aj styles .
jason jett is now wrestling as ez money according to google. he was in tna for a ewhile but no idea what he is doing now.
dave
i_hate_beckham
28-04-2005, 11:32
Anyone know whatever happened to the nWo B team they had in WCW?? None of them seem to be wrestling now like Bryan Adams and the others whose name have escaped me, thanks to a distraction by some other bloke in the room. The guys i'm on about all have really stupid backwards flat caps on.
Rocket Romano
28-04-2005, 14:00
CHRISTOPHER DANIELS
AJ STYLES
=
WASHED UP
EX WWE
This is the secret message that stops vBulletin from being a bitch about the all-caps.
DOES NOT COMPUTE
ERROR
If the WWE wanted Styles they would have taken him ages ago. But he's too scared of being a small fish in a big pond. None of that moral crap that he wont work for Vince. They dont want him.
Jeff Jarrett?! C'mon FFS...a few years ago the man was in a feud with Chyna over hoover.
The Outlaw....washed up, Nash, Hall, XPAC washed up
Hardy...couldnt take the pressure in WWE
Mike Tenay...makes Michael Cole look good
X-Division...alright but that type of wrestling died a popularity death in the late early 00's
kained&able
29-04-2005, 10:28
If the WWE wanted Styles they would have taken him ages ago. But he's too scared of being a small fish in a big pond. None of that moral crap that he wont work for Vince. They dont want him.
Jeff Jarrett?! C'mon FFS...a few years ago the man was in a feud with Chyna over hoover.
The Outlaw....washed up, Nash, Hall, XPAC washed up
Hardy...couldnt take the pressure in WWE
Mike Tenay...makes Michael Cole look good
X-Division...alright but that type of wrestling died a popularity death in the late early 00's
oh oh oh where to begin. Right start with styles. Aj was repeatedly said he has no intrest in going to wwe for a number of reasons. The first and most obvious is that ww like big men aj would be doing what the equally talented paul london and billy kidman are doing. Fuck all! Also as you have said big fish small pond and what the fuck is wrong with that to be fiar mowst football teams have at least one player that is far to good to be at the club and im sure they stay for similer reasons(and possibly loyalty but its unlikely).
also as a big fish in a small pond your going to make decent money as you have better drawing power will sell more merchandise etc etc. I personally belive aj wants tna to succeed and so thats why he stays around which is nice.
Jeff jarett well his daddy owns the company(jerry jarett) so he has had the belt for time and will unfortunatley continue. Worth pointing out though that many blokes got the hell beaten out of them by chyna just jarett was one of the first to be willing to put over a girl so fair play to him(although that domestic violence match was opne of the worst angles ever!!)
Hall is gone from TNA and will not return(drugs problems). Nash has never been able to wrestle but is able to draw a crowd(ask wcw!) umm to be fair he is shite.
Billy gunn is still a decent wrestler pushing on a bit now but he has a danm good athletic background and it does show in the ring him and ddp still look like active wrestlers and seeing as wwe includes ric flair in its roster and is about to bring in hulk hogan(briefly) again i don'ty think tna has the market on has beens(or never was in the case of flair in my humble opinion).
xpac i can't decide if he is still any good or not so ummm yeah.
as for jeff hardy one of the most sucessful tag team wrestlers of all time(cant wait to see if tna put the hardy boys back together!) but hated the touring shudule and wanted to do other shit as well(he is in a dire band rides moto xand varuious other shite) jereicho is facing the same dilema. Tna recored up 3 programmes in one week and have no house shows which means hardy and others only have to work something like 5 days a month(many do other shows for other promotions) so it seems to be fair enough. wwe did almost everything they could think of to try and keep him(before he got got with a reefer) and is a very very class wrestler.
As for x-divsion ending in the early 00's. umm we are in 2005 it still is the early 00's as far as i'm concerned and your chatting shite anyway there still is obviously a market for the high fliers wwe has recenl;y been pushing its cruserweight divsion more and with TNA and CZW gradully getting more exposure it seems clear that some fans want to see aj styles vs christopher danials more then batista and bradshaw!
i fucking love wrestling.
dave
i_hate_beckham
02-05-2005, 00:48
Anyone else watching Backlash?
The Hurricane and Rosey are tag team champs :cool: :cool: :cool:
Rocket Romano
02-05-2005, 09:06
Anyone else hear that Chris Candido has died following a blood clot after surgery on his injured leg
Think he was only 34 as well.
Tributes were posted on tna and wwe sites as well as the usual wrestling websites
Lisarocket
02-05-2005, 12:38
Anyone else watching Backlash?
The Hurricane and Rosey are tag team champs :cool: :cool: :cool:
I love it when i can watch the PPV live for a change. Bank holidays are so well timed sometimes...
Loads of good matches on Backlash last night :) Benjamin v Jericho was a great start. Benjamin just gets better and better...
Hogan + Michaels v Hassan + Daivari was a joke though. All that crap 'real American' posturing reflecting the mood of the country. I wish they would keep the politics out of it really.
It was bad enough when the crowd were chanting USA during the tag team match when La Resistance were against Tajiri (clearly Japanese) and Regal (with England written on his tights). A point clearly not lost on JR, who commented on it too.
Bout time The Hurricane came up a few notches, he's been jobbing for years now :cool:
i_hate_beckham
04-05-2005, 20:26
Anyone else hear that Chris Candido has died following a blood clot after surgery on his injured leg
Think he was only 34 as well.
Tributes were posted on tna and wwe sites as well as the usual wrestling websites
Yeah i did hear about it, i wondered what the fuck had happened to him as he has only very recently joined TNA. Its a great shame. :( :(
i_hate_beckham
04-05-2005, 20:28
It was bad enough when the crowd were chanting USA during the tag team match when La Resistance were against Tajiri (clearly Japanese) and Regal (with England written on his tights). A point clearly not lost on JR, who commented on it too.
He said it was aimed against La Resistance (which it clearly was) with the fucking dumb shits in the crowd stupidly forgetting that the only person from the USA in that match was La Resistance's Robert Conway. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Lisarocket
05-05-2005, 10:57
He said it was aimed against La Resistance (which it clearly was) with the fucking dumb shits in the crowd stupidly forgetting that the only person from the USA in that match was La Resistance's Robert Conway. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
But don't forget that Rob Conway is a 'French Sympathiser' :D
kained&able
06-05-2005, 08:30
he moved to canada the bastard. la resitence havn't pretended to be french since rene dupree left that group. They are from quebec these days i believe.
dieing from bodged up surgery really isn't fair on candidio although i have never really rated him and don't think it will do tna any real harm.
Hogan has always been a joke and noew is even more of one he has recently had a hip replacmeant and can't even do his leg drop(how the fuck is that a finisher these days???) for fear of it popping out hence the silly finish in that match.
dave
i_hate_beckham
07-05-2005, 01:39
dieing from bodged up surgery really isn't fair on candidio although i have never really rated him and don't think it will do tna any real harm.
Hogan has always been a joke and noew is even more of one he has recently had a hip replacmeant and can't even do his leg drop(how the fuck is that a finisher these days???) for fear of it popping out hence the silly finish in that match.
dave
Wether or not Candido not being in TNA will do the promotion any harm doesnt matter, a man lost his life at a rather young age and thats what should be remembered, not that he wasnt a loss to the promotion. Its very sad. :( :(
Hogans leg drop finisher is no worse than The Rock's peoples elbow where he runs across the ring for so long that corpses wake up and then drops a really pathetic elbow compared to elbows off the top rope that EVERYONE kicks out of. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Lisarocket
10-05-2005, 16:52
Hogans leg drop finisher is no worse than The Rock's peoples elbow where he runs across the ring for so long that corpses wake up and then drops a really pathetic elbow compared to elbows off the top rope that EVERYONE kicks out of. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
But it's 'The People's' elbow, just for us, how can you say such a thing :D
Really though, for a finishing move it's not up there with the Stunner, the frog splash, the Tombstone or the Pedigree....well actually quite a lot of other finishing moves are much better.
The Rock Bottom wasn't that good a finishing move either. I could never understand how people didn't kick out of that either.
I'm quite pleased to see the return of the Worm though, which surely is the longest move ever. Scotty 2 Hotty at least shows that it isn't a serious move and just a bit of a crowd pleaser.
kained&able
10-05-2005, 19:19
scotty 2 hotty being serious would be a worrying thing.
didn't mean to take candidos death lightly its tragic for all that know him.
what the rock does in the ring is never that importent the bloke looks the part and his mic work is second to none.
dave
Nine Bob Note
10-05-2005, 19:30
Really though, for a finishing move it's not up there with the Stunner, the frog splash, the Tombstone or the Pedigree
I smell a poll... :p
Who ever does it, make sure the Perfectplex is in there ;)
Lisarocket
10-05-2005, 19:34
what the rock does in the ring is never that importent the bloke looks the part and his mic work is second to none.
dave
I agree.....
Many people will have a go at The Rock, but when i was watching the WWE(F) PPV the other night i was thinking that no-one was topping the 'promo cutting' that The Rock does. That's what took him to a totally different level when it came to his fame in the WWE.
I kinda miss The Rock really because of that.....
:(
Lisarocket
10-05-2005, 19:36
I smell a poll... :p
Who ever does it, make sure the Perfectplex is in there ;)
Dare you! Two wrestling threads in the sports forum may be a bridge too far for all the football fans in her :D
some nominations for the poll
tombstone
stunner
pedigree
pearl river plunge
mandible claw
more to follow
Wowbagger
10-05-2005, 19:52
I assume we're restricting this to finishers used in McMahonLand, otherwise I'll have to start nominating half of Japan.
My winner under those restrictions, therefore, is Shane Helms' Vertebreaker (which he did use in WWE a few times immediately after joining up). Open it up to "The North American Big Two", and the Vertebreaker is joined by the Canadian Destroyer (somersault piledriver) and the Crippler Crossface as best submission finisher.
Lisarocket
10-05-2005, 19:56
I assume we're restricting this to finishers used in McMahonLand, otherwise I'll have to start nominating half of Japan.
My winner under those restrictions, therefore, is Shane Helms' Vertebreaker (which he did use in WWE a few times immediately after joining up). Open it up to "The North American Big Two", and the Vertebreaker is joined by the Canadian Destroyer (somersault piledriver) and the Crippler Crossface as best submission finisher.
That means, with the introduction of the crippler crossface (top move BTW) it may have to be two finishing manouver threads...one for submissions and one for pins...
Ninjaboy.....go for it! Your probably the only one who will get away with it
:D
i_hate_beckham
11-05-2005, 00:43
The Canadian Destroyer is the greatest move ever. Isnt Shane Helmes now The Hurricane and was in 3 count with Shannon Moore and that other guy??
Lisarocket
11-05-2005, 10:27
The Canadian Destroyer is the greatest move ever. Isnt Shane Helmes now The Hurricane and was in 3 count with Shannon Moore and that other guy??
It could be him, I think he used to be called Hurricane Helms before he got the full on superhero costume.
kained&able
12-05-2005, 09:16
shane helmes is indeed the hurricane.
best finishers at the minute. petey williams(tna)- canadian destroyer, billy kidmans(wwe)- shooting star press, shark boy(tna)- deep sea drop.
dave
i_hate_beckham
13-05-2005, 00:03
So "Sugar" Shane Helmes, Shannon Moore were in 3 count, but who was the other guy an has he made a name for himself??
Wowbagger
13-05-2005, 00:20
Shane Helms, Shannon Moore (who were the team) and Evan Karagias was the third man (IIRC). A spectacularly average cruiserweight. I've not seen anything of him since WCW went ka-put.
Oh yeah, and then there was the whole Tank Abbott thing, but we're not going to speak about that because it's too fucking scary.
i_hate_beckham
13-05-2005, 00:26
Tank Abbot, is about the hardest man in the world, i wouldnt fuck with him, he might not be able to wrestle but he can kill anybody in a fight.
i_hate_beckham
15-05-2005, 11:26
The of this weeks Smackdown! was hilarious. Anyone else see it? :D :D :D
Lisarocket
16-05-2005, 10:57
The of this weeks Smackdown! was hilarious. Anyone else see it? :D :D :D
Missed it this week. What happened?
i_hate_beckham
16-05-2005, 21:30
Kurt Angle said in the middle of the show how he wanted "beastiality style" sex with Booker T's wife. :D :D
Then at the end Kurt Angle layed out Booker T in their match then ran back to rape Bookers wife and when he came back to stop Kurt he was ambushed while that annoying bint he is married to did some really bad hysterical acting. :D
Rocket Romano
17-05-2005, 09:20
WWE put Lita and Edge together on screen.
Shame the storyline had to wait a bit after then real life events.
Gonna be some great heat on those two.
I think the WWE should have gone back to its ethic-less old days and milked the Lita-Matt 'real' break up to create an excellent heel
i_hate_beckham
18-05-2005, 22:17
WWE put Lita and Edge together on screen.
Shame the storyline had to wait a bit after then real life events.
Gonna be some great heat on those two.
I think the WWE should have gone back to its ethic-less old days and milked the Lita-Matt 'real' break up to create an excellent heel
Will Matt ever be back?
chegrimandi
18-05-2005, 22:43
just watching some now - who the fuck is the wannabe eminem rapper bloke? he's well funny! can he fight at all.?..he clearly can't rap!
Lisarocket
19-05-2005, 12:46
just watching some now - who the fuck is the wannabe eminem rapper bloke? he's well funny! can he fight at all.?..he clearly can't rap!
That'll be John Cena. He's a pretty good wrestler. Good finishing move- the F.U.
He's just released a rap record :D
chegrimandi
19-05-2005, 12:51
That'll be John Cena. He's a pretty good wrestler. Good finishing move- the F.U.
He's just released a rap record :D
it was well funny last night after a few cans of cider! him and this other dude were rapping in the ring trying to outdo each other.... :D
subversplat
19-05-2005, 13:12
Marty Jannetty getting superkicked through that window was very :( but then the "Sexy Boy" persona Shawn Michaels more than made up for it.
The Undertaker, when he first turned up, was fucking ace. Everybody in the playground wanted to be him when we played wrestling! I got fucking dropped forward by some bastard doing a tombstone on me though, knees STRAIGHT onto a tiled floor :( The Undertaker then stayed pretty bad-fucking-arse all the way through when there were two of the buggers, and they looked scarily the same! What the fuck has happened to the guy now? Some redneck Hells Angel wannabe?!
Doink was great, as has already been said...
Err who else can I remember off the top of my head. The Mountie was good, and had a nice singalong theme tune. I also liked him because he was pretty anti-America and wound all the Yanks up something chronic. Hunter Hearst Helmsley before he became "Triple H" :rolleyes: was good. Proper fake English accent and everything :cool:
I'll probably think of some more in a minute.
Lisarocket
19-05-2005, 13:19
The Undertaker then stayed pretty bad-fucking-arse all the way through when there were two of the buggers, and they looked scarily the same! What the fuck has happened to the guy now? Some redneck Hells Angel wannabe?!
He was an 'American Badass' for a bit, loved the Harleys he came in on, but he's gone back to the older scarier early look now. Great entrance....loads of dry ice and hooded monks with torches and rolling his eyes so you can only see the whites when he takes his hat off etc...
No Paul Bearer type though and no rising out of coffins :D
subversplat
19-05-2005, 13:23
He was an 'American Badass' for a bit, loved the Harleys he came in on, but he's gone back to the older scarier early look now. Great entrance....loads of dry ice and hooded monks with torches and rolling his eyes so you can only see the whites when he takes his hat off etc...
No Paul Bearer type though and no rising out of coffins :D
Hmm I'll have to check it out. I've not watched any wrestling for a few years, and not really been into it since, err, about 1998 or something :)
subversplat
19-05-2005, 13:28
Legion of Doom were my favorite tag team
LoD were wicked :cool: Also good were the Bushwhackas. Utter nutballs the pair of them :) The Nasty Boys always made me laugh, too.
Earthquake and Typhoon just annoyed me.
Can't really member many more tag teams...
kained&able
19-05-2005, 18:21
the bushwakers have nevber been anything other then comedy neither of them could wrestle for shit. legion of doom were kinda shit but great gimmick and were pretty much the first proper tag team(rather then just two people on a team).
rock n roll express were danm good way back when.
these days its all about edge/christian , the hardy boys and americas most wanted.
dave
Lisarocket
20-05-2005, 14:44
these days its all about edge/christian , the hardy boys and americas most wanted.
dave
WWF was good when it had the Hardys and Edge and Christian.
Those days are long gone :(
Rocket Romano
20-05-2005, 19:46
This whole downfall of pro wrestling
y'know whose fault it is
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aereofan/img3/WWF.JPG
i_hate_beckham
22-05-2005, 01:38
What happened on Smackdown?? I missed it.
i_hate_beckham
22-05-2005, 23:35
Judgement Day in 25 mins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i_hate_beckham
06-06-2005, 14:30
Bump in preparation for ECW One Night Stand.
bump for old skool wrestling lovers out there: Best of ITV Wrestling on DVD (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009B0FGE/qid%3D1118241886/026-6391506-8854809)
i just saw TNA last week
that is so fucking shite
apparently they got wwe here, but i've never seen it
TNA :mad::mad:
they don't even do any throws they just punch each other
maybe a suplex
worse than wcw :eek:
i_hate_beckham
08-06-2005, 15:26
Are you watching the same TNA as everyone else??
Bump in preparation for ECW One Night Stand.
Looking foward to that event which is on this sunday (i believe). The old favourites of ECW will be there e.g. The Sandman, Tommy Dreamer, Rhyno et al will be battling against the likes of Edge, Kurt Angle etc.
Should be a right ol' tear up! :D
Mister grimanidi'd correct about John Cena - nearly evey time i see this fella whilst watching the WWE on Sly Sports. His rapping persona cheers me up in no time. And his ryhmes are not too bad! :D
the one i saw was a rip off of the undertaker and a rip off of DX...
terrible
and cool people in the crowd who blatantly got paid to be there...
Mister grimanidi'd correct about John Cena - nearly evey time i see this fellawhils watching the WWE on Sly Sports. His rapping persona cheers me up in no time. And his ryhmes are not too bad! :D
Album is largely pretty dreadful, though.
His rapping skills probably come from a background hanging out with some of Boston's better known hip hoppers, I believe...
i_hate_beckham
10-06-2005, 00:04
Album is largely pretty dreadful, though.
His rapping skills probably come from a background hanging out with some of Boston's better known hip hoppers, I believe...
You bought his album????
You bought his album????
Don't be so silly.
I have heard it, though.
kained&able
12-06-2005, 10:41
rip off of the under taker in tna?
theres abyss who looks like a bigger mankind can't think of anyone who does a taker type gimmick though.(trytan possibly but he is wank, and sacked now)
as for the dx thing umm it wouldn't happen to have been the three live crew would it??? if so you might recognise BG james who was well in dx as the road dogg xpac and billy gunn are also in tna by the way.
may i suggest you watch again and don't even begin to comment untill you have seen aj styles, chris danials, chris sabin or petey williams or umm anyone who wrestles x division really(what tna does well).
I could watch a hiedenrich or snitsky match and say the wwe is shit but it wouldn't be quite fair.
not sure if the ecw thing is going to be any good or not, no rvd is a very bad thing and i really don't like the fact they have an invasion angle planned surely ecw can srtill sell itself without the likes of edge being involved.
dave
i_hate_beckham
12-06-2005, 13:36
http://www.titlehistories.com/ecw.jpg
Less than 11 hours to go until bruises, blood, barbed wire and broken bones!!!
F'KING YES!!!!
Yeah brilliant, WW-fucking-E stars doing ECW. Crock of shit IMO.
Get the real ECW lot to do it, not some reverse invasion wank stylings.
i_hate_beckham
12-06-2005, 14:00
Yeah brilliant, WW-fucking-E stars doing ECW. Crock of shit IMO.
Get the real ECW lot to do it, not some reverse invasion wank stylings.
I predict the WWE will try to invade somewhere in the middle of the show, get the shit kicked out of them in a blood fuelled brawl and then the ECW lot will just get on with what they were doing. :cool:
Clintons Cat
12-06-2005, 14:00
bump for old skool wrestling lovers out there: Best of ITV Wrestling on DVD (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009B0FGE/qid%3D1118241886/026-6391506-8854809)
Jackie "Mr TV" Pallos' Autobiography "You Grunt',I'll Groan" is a cracking read.Apparently his trademark move of being thrown out of the ring and being entangled in the ropes by the neck came close to tragedy on more than one occasion due to over enthusiastic punters grabbing hold of his legs and yanking them :eek:
I just wish I could of seen the PROPER ECW event, Hardcore Homecoming...
Simon Diamond & CW Anderson vs. Mikey Whipwreck & Chris Chetti
The Blue Meanie (w/ the BWO) vs. Tracy Smothers (w/ the FBI)
Kid Kash vs. 2 Cold Scorpio
John Kronus v Bad Breed v New Jack
Jerry Lynn vs. Justin Credible w/ Jason
Sandman vs. Raven
Terry Funk vs. Sabu vs. Shane Douglas
:cool:
i_hate_beckham
12-06-2005, 14:10
I just wish I could of seen the PROPER ECW event, Hardcore Homecoming...
Simon Diamond & CW Anderson vs. Mikey Whipwreck & Chris Chetti
The Blue Meanie (w/ the BWO) vs. Tracy Smothers (w/ the FBI)
Kid Kash vs. 2 Cold Scorpio
John Kronus v Bad Breed v New Jack
Jerry Lynn vs. Justin Credible w/ Jason
Sandman vs. Raven
Terry Funk vs. Sabu vs. Shane Douglas
:cool:
When was that?
Rocket Romano
12-06-2005, 21:42
Terry Funk
He makes Hogan and Flair look like babies
Anyhoo, this ECW PPV is going to be crap, you just know it
i_hate_beckham
12-06-2005, 22:13
Terry Funk
He makes Hogan and Flair look like babies
Anyhoo, this ECW PPV is going to be crap, you just know it
Nah i think its going to put most other WWE PPV's to shame.
i_hate_beckham
13-06-2005, 00:23
Louie Spicoli was strangely missing from the ECW Remembers slot, I wonder if they will have another one.
Rocket Romano
13-06-2005, 10:25
Nah i think its going to put most other WWE PPV's to shame.
Not too hard though is it?
I retract, I really enjoyed it
Loved Heyman
'John, your only Champ coz HHH don't work Tuesdays' :D
Not too hard though is it?
I retract, I really enjoyed it
Loved Heyman
'John, your only Champ coz HHH don't work Tuesdays' :D
Yep RR - I was grinning just like you was when Paulie said that to JBL. Throughly enjoyed watching ECW - One Night Stand in the early hours of this morning. Brought back memories when i watched ECW when it was shown (i thinkk it was the censored version according to my brother) on cable channel Bravo a few yrs back.
Can anyone of the wrestling fans know how much will it cost for the DVD titled "The rise and falll of ECW"? I would buy it like a shot! :cool:
i_hate_beckham
13-06-2005, 14:10
Had both good points and bad points this.
Main things that fucked me off was the constant cutting to the WWE stars on the balcony in matches even when some kick arse moves were being done and so little exposure was given to 'true' ECW stars such as Roadkill, Balls Mahoney, Blue Meanie et al in favour of WWE stars that we see each week like Rey, Stone Cold, Jericho etc. :( :(
Rocket Romano
13-06-2005, 18:48
Can anyone of the wrestling fans know how much will it cost for the DVD titled "The rise and falll of ECW"? I would buy it like a shot! :cool:
£17.99 delivered from play
From £18 on Amazon
And you can probably buy it direct from Silver Vision
i_hate_beckham
14-06-2005, 10:00
Did anyone else see how fucking racist Stone Cold was at the start of Raw last night, i dont like the character anyway but this is just fucking not on. :( :(
kained&able
15-06-2005, 22:38
ej i have the rise and fall of ecw on my computer ask me nicely and i may copy/send it to you.(as well as shit loads of other things if anyone is intrested)
not seen the ppv yet but it didn't sound to bad from what i have read. it obviously suffered becuse of an injured rvd he pretty much was that promotion.
what the fuck is going on with this draft lottery though raw gets cena and angle, benoit and orton to to smackdown. tis madness.
Vengence is looking like a danm danm good card!
-Triple H vs. Batista (c) (Hell In The Cell)
-Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels -(WrestleMania Rematch)
-Edge w/Lita vs. Kane
-John Cena (c) vs. Christian vs. Chris Jericho (WWE World Title)
all danm good matches. oh and christian will win the wwe title and then get traded to smackdown.
dave
i_hate_beckham
16-06-2005, 01:28
oh and christian will win the wwe title and then get traded to smackdown.
dave
I think we worked that out the day Vince came out to the ring while Christian was in it and announced the draft lottery.
Wowbagger
16-06-2005, 02:11
I've fallen out of watching recently. Then I remembered that there was some odd little PPV from somewhere in New York last Sunday, so I stuck a tape in.
ECW! ECW! ECW!
Goddamn, that was just three straight hours of marking out for the ages like I used to do all the time.
Then I watched Raw the following night and...it sucked, except for the MAIN EVENT INTERVIEW and the awesome old-school WCW clusterfuck ending: all it needed was Schiavone yelling "DAMMIT WE'RE OUT OF TIME, SEE YOU NEXT WEE--". I'm not above sitting through two hours of crap, mind, just as long as there's a minute or two of cream to garnish it with.
kained&able
16-06-2005, 10:09
raw was a bit shit and can someone please explain to me how a full nelson(sorry "masterlock" ) is a submission move, surely the only point of that move is to hold someone while you either set up for a decent move or get some to slap the shite out of him.
good to see vince still loves wrestlers who love the steroids.
just found out samoa joe is making his tna debut on sunday bout time they signed him the man is pure quality although is the stiffest(doesn't pull his punches etc) worker i think i have ever seen.
dave
£17.99 delivered from play
From £18 on Amazon
And you can probably buy it direct from Silver Vision
Cheers RR - Just like the others who have voiced their increasing dissaffection with RAW. I'm not too botherd if i miss a Raw or Smackdown event. I just wish ECW wopuld make a permanent comeback. But it will never happen :(
Agreed with I_H_B on Stone Cold's racist beahviour to Mohammed Hassan - A big thumbs down from me!
Wowbagger
16-06-2005, 18:16
raw was a bit shit and can someone please explain to me how a full nelson is a submission move
Ever been put in one by someone with a bit of strength? I agree it should be banned except as a transition into a dragon suplex, but it can hurt a lot when done right.
i_hate_beckham
16-06-2005, 22:38
I'm still waiting for a wrestler who isnt either bottom of the barrel or retired to show up on the mastercock challenge. It's what they are so obviously building to.
kained&able
17-06-2005, 19:16
Ever been put in one by someone with a bit of strength? I agree it should be banned except as a transition into a dragon suplex, but it can hurt a lot when done right.
yes i have and okay it hurts a bit but im not 220 pounds and trying to make people belive i can stay in a sharpshooter(or any other decent submission) for an extended perido of time.
i would love to see kurt angle get a go at the master lock challenge. i think he would laugh.
dave
i_hate_beckham
21-06-2005, 00:36
Cant wait to see the new RAW pick in 25 minutes. :cool:
i_hate_beckham
28-06-2005, 01:53
Big Show and RVD picked in the final draft pick!
i_hate_beckham
28-06-2005, 02:04
Now that Big Show who was gonna be in the 5 man match for the new Smackdown title is on RAW and so is Carlito Carribean Cool (who just had a Cabana which is to replace the highlight reel). I predict that Chris Jericho will go to Smackdown replacing Big Show in the 5 man match and doing the highlight reel each week over there.
Batista to SD? Leaving Cena as Raw's only champ and giving SD a title.
kained&able
29-06-2005, 22:41
Superstars traded to RAW:
- John Cena (WWE Champion)
- Kurt Angle
- Carlito
- Rob Van Dam
- The Big Show
Superstars traded to SmackDown!:
- Chris Benoit
- Randy Orton
- Mohammad Hassan (with Davari)
- Christian
- Batista (Heavyweight Champion)
is what is happening. seems like its pretty fair cena will be a huge loss for smackdown more so then batista is for raw certainly. Rest of them are at least fair just a danm shame that this means no angle/benoit matches.
there can still be trades between the brands untill next thursday from what i understand so umm it aint quite final.
oh and if anyone is intrested as of friday www.tnawrestling.com will be streaming IMPACT! for free via real player untill TNA get another tv sorted.
dave
Rocket Romano
30-06-2005, 09:46
What happened to their old contract
They been dumped already?!
kained&able
30-06-2005, 11:19
nah was only a year long and they are trying to get something better. looks like they might be getting in on spike tv who used to have raw untill a few months ago.
if it all goes tits up i think they can still walk into the fsn contract that they were in.
dave
Rocket Romano
30-06-2005, 13:21
The coverage on the Wrestling Channel is pretty poor
Shoddy looking production and Mike Tenay is so freaking annoying
kained&able
30-06-2005, 18:00
yeah tenay can be a bit annoying and don west is a fucking joke. The production is actully really really good on tna on account of it being filmed at uni versal studios but the wrestling channel stuff never looks crisp. occasionly i have downloaded some vcd quality stuff off the internet and it really does look outstanding.
also pisses me off that they are a month(at least) behind it really doesn't help.
there are some danm danm good workers in tna though(ask wwe who have just nicked kid kash((might have seen him on ecw ppv)) and frankie kazerian who are both quality and johny swinger who is shite) and they concentarte more on the high fliers which is clearly a good thing.
dave
Rocket Romano
30-06-2005, 18:26
Can anyone in the current climate ever compete with the WWE band
Had a great PPV idea the other night.
Titan pays off the World Wildlife Fund in royalties as a tax write off and takes temp shared rights of the WWF name once again
Then a WWF invasion begins...old school vs new school
WCW turns up (led by Flair or Anderson)...on the side of the WWF VS WWE and ECW
The old guys come back for a decent fee (warrior etc)
The wrestling wont be spectacular but nostalgic fans and critics will send the buy rate sky high and no-one will care
kained&able
01-07-2005, 14:06
not untill either ted turner splashes some cash again(hes allowed to show wrestling as of sometime next year, it was part of the deal for wcw) or everyone gets pissed of with the trips/mcmahon access and fucks off to roh and tna
another load of trades has happend by the way.
RAW brand gets:
Mark Jindrak: Former WCW Tag Team Champion
Rene Dupree: Former WWE Tag Team Champion; former World Tag Team Champion
Danny Basham: Two-time former WWE Tag Team Champion
Kenzo Suzuki (with Hiroko): Former WWE Tag Team Champion
Chavo Guerrero: Five-time former Cruiserweight Champion; two-time former WWE Tag Team Champion
SmackDown! brand gets:
William Regal: Four-time former WCW Television Champion; three-time former Hardcore Champion; four-time former European Champion; former Intercontinental Champion; four-time former World Tag Team Champion
Candice: 2004 RAW Diva Search contestant
Sylvain Grenier: Four-time former World Tag Team Champion
Simon Dean: Former RAW sponsor
Steven Richards: Former two-time ECW Tag Team Champion; former 21-time Hardcore Champion
so chavo not in criuserweights which means they are complete shite again. no bashem brothers which was about the only proper team on smackdown(other then mnm) ssmackdown seems to be getting a load of jobbers(richards/dean) a very green but promising talent in grenier and regal whom i have no idea what the fuck he is going to do.
where as raw get two promising talents in jindrak and dupree(presumably going to be teamed with conway) one of the better heels in the company(chavo) and two monkeys in suzuki and bashem.
me thinks raw gets the better deal but who is shcoked by that.
dave
Rocket Romano
01-07-2005, 20:29
give up the ghost
smackdown has failed. It produces no young talent and squanders what it has. Any real talent has no-one to feud with
RAW reigns supreme, always will do
kained&able
03-07-2005, 09:31
yeah i know it does and always will while triple h is there. but wrestling is clearly all about the cruiser weights and smaller wrestlers(jericho, mat hardy, RVD etc) rather then heindenriech, batista, big show and all the overly inflated wrestlers so it pisses me off that smackdown is given such a shite deal.
people like paul london, akio and shannon moore really should be given more to do at wwe. I would put a bigger list but looking at the smackdown roster i can't actully see any other cruiser weights(i dont count funaki) other then the new mexicool stable.
the only cruiserweights who have ever been pushed are rey mysterio and chave gueero and him moving to raw makes that division a joke.
dave
Rocket Romano
21-07-2005, 22:52
A few updates
WWE.com has a statement which all but confirms that it will bow to network pressure and axe Mohammed Hussan after the Great American Bash, stating events related to London and network UPN the WWE said the character probably wont continue
Sad news, Lord Alfred Hayes has died. Britains best wrestling export?
Wowbagger
21-07-2005, 23:07
Sad news, Lord Alfred Hayes has died. Britains best wrestling export?
Dynamite Kid would like a word with you, from his wheelchair.
Alfred was awesome, though.
Rocket Romano
21-07-2005, 23:08
Dynamite Kid would like a word with you, from his wheelchair.
Alfred was awesome, though.
Well, when I was growing up Dynamite was a non-entity tag partner whilst Hayes was the premier announcer. All my old Silver Vision tapes have him on
Monsoon gone and now Hayes
Btw, whats everyones' take on the Hussan thing anyway? I think it was a cheap angle to begin with, a complete cheap re-hash of the Slaughter is an Iraqi angle
fortunesfool
21-07-2005, 23:41
Well, when I was growing up Dynamite was a non-entity tag partner whilst Hayes was the premier announcer. All my old Silver Vision tapes have him on
Monsoon gone and now Hayes
Btw, whats everyones' take on the Hussan thing anyway? I think it was a cheap angle to begin with, a complete cheap re-hash of the Slaughter is an Iraqi angle
Keep the faith, Heenan's still hanging on!
I think the imagery used in the initial angle with Taker (wire around throat, Hussan carried out like a martyr etc) went too near the bone hence it being edited over here. Went beyond a mere US = good guys, foreigners = bad guy issue then
Cheap? WWE? Nah!!!
i_hate_beckham
21-07-2005, 23:47
Is Matt Hardy turning up on RAW and attacking Edge WWE sanctioned because it really does seem he doing it off his own back??? Its always ignored in RAW write ups on the official site and the insults the 2 trade dont seem to be WWE standard eg your a shit rather than your nothing.
i_hate_beckham
21-07-2005, 23:51
Btw, whats everyones' take on the Hussan thing anyway? I think it was a cheap angle to begin with, a complete cheap re-hash of the Slaughter is an Iraqi angle
If the WWE had any fucking sense they would of made him a good guy but no they choose to make racial tension and hatred even worse. I hate them for that. :mad: :mad:
Wowbagger
22-07-2005, 00:02
Is Matt Hardy turning up on RAW and attacking Edge WWE sanctioned because it really does seem he doing it off his own back??? Its always ignored in RAW write ups on the official site and the insults the 2 trade dont seem to be WWE standard eg your a shit rather than your nothing.
Sure it is. Big fat fucking work. If they didn't want Hardy in their buildings, he wouldn't be there. It's not like he's Joe Average.
Rocket Romano
22-07-2005, 10:10
Yeah the Hardy angle is a fix.
His website can still be accessed and TNA nearly got sued by the WWE when they played on the Hardy TNA Invasion thing.
It makes sense to use the angle. If they put Edge and Hardy in a grudge TLC we'll have an obvious shock match of the year contender
I'm certainly not looking forward to Mr Nanny VS The Rockers Shawn Michaels at Summerslam
Summerslam used to be important man! Huge main events, now its a goodbye Hogan for the 5000000000000000000000th time....dammit man....retire!
Rocket Romano
22-07-2005, 11:41
From wrestlingtoday (updates on Hussan)
WWE are set to announce the immediate termination of the Mohammed Hussan character after the Great American Bash PPV this Sunday. Hussan was planned to defeat veteran Undertaker this Sunday and challenge for the title, recent events in London combined with uproar reaching even Congress mean that this is now not on the cards
Initial plans to move Hussan back to Raw and onto the Spike TV network have been dropped after the network warned the WWE it would not accept the character.
British provider Sky, a sister company of the Fox network, has said it has not yet decided whether or not to show Hussan's match on its Sky Sport 1 network this coming Sunday, which will broadcast live at 1am local time.
Sources admit that its entirely unlikely that Hussan will change to a babyface and its certainly going to be a challenge for the wrestler to come back in any other role
kained&able
22-07-2005, 13:23
both spike and upn(raw/smackdown networks) have said they don't want the charcetr oion there network.
also seeing as TNA have just signed a tv deal with spike(finally!!!) that means he wont be able to go there. looks like he is back in the indies, same i imagine will go for divari.
its a huge shame as they were both decent wrestlers and hassan looked like future title material.
look out for frankie kazerian turning up on smackdown soon by the way he has had a couple of matches on velocity and is a sweet wrestler.
as for sky i reckon they will show it its going to be at like 3am his match or something and what the hell else are they going to do for twenty minutes while hassan wrestlers the undertaker. from the sounds of it wwe are going to have taker kill hassan anyway, chalk one up for freedom.
dave
i_hate_beckham
22-07-2005, 17:35
I feel sorry him, the guy has lost his job due to Vince McMahon's fucking stupidity. I hope he gets a huge pay out off the cunt.
kained&able
22-07-2005, 17:53
not really vinces fault. Upn are being tossers. Hassan has never been protrayed by a terrorist. He has always been on a i'm american but you all treat me like shit beacuse im an arab type tip.
quite ironic in the circumstances. Also i remmeber whent he first gulf war was happening, sgt slaughter was working an angle as an iraqi sympathiser and although that cuased a afir ammount of contravery i don't think wwf's tv deal was ever in jepody.
also watching raw the other day and there was this bloke called krwin white on it who didn't want to join a arizona golf club as it was too near the border "if you know know what i mean" and whos main line is "remember if its not white its not right". wwe always have contraversial charecters and storylines(paul bearer being covered in cement and enbalmed, vince making his daughter get ammried in a satanic ritual etc etc) its not real and should not be treated as such.
Bottom line is the media in america jumped all over hassan because of not great timing(smackdown was recoreded two days before londone bombings mind) and beacuse he is an arab. I bet there wouldn't have been hlaf the problems if hassan had been irish which is disguesting especilly as at the time there was no photos or even links to al queda or other muslim orginisations, everyonme just assumed(rightly by the looks of things) it was arabs.
Also there were a load of masked men that were apparently arabs who attacked the undertaker. One of those arabs was val venis!!! can't remmeber who the others were but its just bollocks.
Mark Magnus(hassan) should feel very very hard done by indeed!
dave
El Sueno
22-07-2005, 18:57
I've only just noticed this place - I'm a big Sabu mark, love the old ECW stuff and still occasionally tune in to the crazy bollocks that is WWE. Also I go to the odd indy show, like IPW:UK over in Orpington sometimes. Anyway.. just checking in.
The Hussain gimmick was doomed from the start unless they got very very lucky, as for Hardy's 'shoot' angle - best work of the last five years.
Wowbagger
22-07-2005, 19:20
also watching raw the other day and there was this bloke called krwin white on it who didn't want to join a arizona golf club as it was too near the border "if you know know what i mean" and whos main line is "remember if its not white its not right". wwe always have contraversial charecters and storylines(paul bearer being covered in cement and enbalmed, vince making his daughter get ammried in a satanic ritual etc etc) its not real and should not be treated as such.
Kerwin White is hilarious. Maybe he could be the new, one-man Mean Street Posse?
Rocket Romano
23-07-2005, 00:59
Hussan was never going to work in 21st century neo-con America
Slaughter worked because the WWE was much more powerful than it was at the time. Slaughter had little mic time, and basically burned the US flag weekly
This was all before 9/11, which changed a lot.
I understand the stance of UPN and Spike but I don't think its Vinces' fault. He jumped on a bandwagon, gambled and failed. He gambled on Hulk Hogan, it worked.
Its part of the game
i_hate_beckham
23-07-2005, 09:47
The Hussan charater could of worked though if they had made him a baby-face and not used him as a race hate gimmick. :(
kained&able
23-07-2005, 12:03
how the hell could hassen have worked face???? his entire charecter sets him up as a heel. he was quite clearly the new iron shiek.
dave
i_hate_beckham
23-07-2005, 13:46
how the hell could hassen have worked face???? his entire charecter sets him up as a heel. he was quite clearly the new iron shiek.
dave
He could of been used as a 'lets give these guys a fair break maybe they aint all bad' character rather than an 'im going to make sure you hate all arabs forever by playing up to your evil racist stereotyes' character.
I feel sorry him, the guy has lost his job due to Vince McMahon's fucking stupidity. I hope he gets a huge pay out off the cunt.
I wonder will Mohammed Hassan will take Vinny Mac and the WWE to court over "wrongful dismissal" ? I quite like the character and i go with what kained and unabled just said that he was the new iron sheik. It's a pity that Hassan just for ratings and market forces.
By the way can anyone can confirm if senior WWE ref Earl Heffner (or hebner) has got sacked over some merchandising dispute?
kained&able
23-07-2005, 16:45
yeah him and his brother dave got sacked for selling wwe merchadise in the shop they own.
presumably nick patrick will go to raw as head ref and charles robinson will get the smackdown job, was quite shocked by that one.
dave
i_hate_beckham
23-07-2005, 18:09
yeah him and his brother dave got sacked for selling wwe merchadise in the shop they own.
presumably nick patrick will go to raw as head ref and charles robinson will get the smackdown job, was quite shocked by that one.
dave
I want Charles Roinson to go back to being "little Natch" and being Ric Flairs No 1 fan. :)
El Sueno
23-07-2005, 23:23
He could of been used as a 'lets give these guys a fair break maybe they aint all bad' character rather than an 'im going to make sure you hate all arabs forever by playing up to your evil racist stereotyes' character.
All they had to do was make the major heels discriminate him and he'd have gone over as a face fine, only in America would that be concieved as too radical for the mainstream.
yeah him and his brother dave got sacked for selling wwe merchadise in the shop they own.
presumably nick patrick will go to raw as head ref and charles robinson will get the smackdown job, was quite shocked by that one.
dave
I think it could be a work... WWE are finally playing the internet smarks at their own game, what with the Hardy 'shoot' angle etc. A total longshot would be something to do with the Hogan/HBK fued, could there be involvement from Hebner and possibly Brett too, putting the screw back on HBK and assisting Hogan like a reversal of that dreadful WM9 ending where Brett was beat by Yokozuna only for Hogan to run in, chuck sand in his eyes and grab the belt (the ego-fuckin'-manic)? No, that's bollocks but it sounded okay for a minute there. :p
Wowbagger
24-07-2005, 00:30
All they had to do was make the major heels discriminate him and he'd have gone over as a face fine, only in America would that be concieved as too radical for the mainstream.
There is precedent for that kind of angle, on a smaller scale. Remember that program H worked with Booker T for 'Mania XIX where he spent weeks talking about how 'Booker's kind of people' weren't fit to challenge for the title and then beat him at 'Mania after kicking out of his finisher and then hitting him with the (ahem) Pedigree-and-lie-around-for-five-minutes-before-pinning-just-to-make-you-look-like-a-complete-joke?
El Sueno
24-07-2005, 01:06
*shudders* yup, WWE at it's finest :D
i_hate_beckham
24-07-2005, 01:51
All they had to do was make the major heels discriminate him and he'd have gone over as a face fine, only in America would that be concieved as too radical for the mainstream.
I think it could be a work... WWE are finally playing the internet smarks at their own game, what with the Hardy 'shoot' angle etc. A total longshot would be something to do with the Hogan/HBK fued, could there be involvement from Hebner and possibly Brett too, putting the screw back on HBK and assisting Hogan like a reversal of that dreadful WM9 ending where Brett was beat by Yokozuna only for Hogan to run in, chuck sand in his eyes and grab the belt (the ego-fuckin'-manic)? No, that's bollocks but it sounded okay for a minute there. :p
Sadly Bret (assuming you mean 'The Hitman') Hart can't wrestle ever again due to serious brain injury he picked up at the hands of Goldberg because Goldberg couldnt wrestle. :(
i_hate_beckham
24-07-2005, 01:53
There is precedent for that kind of angle, on a smaller scale. Remember that program H worked with Booker T for 'Mania XIX where he spent weeks talking about how 'Booker's kind of people' weren't fit to challenge for the title and then beat him at 'Mania after kicking out of his finisher and then hitting him with the (ahem) Pedigree-and-lie-around-for-five-minutes-before-pinning-just-to-make-you-look-like-a-complete-joke?
WWE is always fucking racist like that, i fucking hate that about it. I wish there a major altnerantive to watch but sadly there isnt. :(
Wowbagger
24-07-2005, 03:00
I wish there a major altnerantive to watch but sadly there isnt. :(
There might be light at the end of the tunnel. TNA's been given a Saturday night timeslot on Spike TV, to replace all the WWE programming which shall shortly be removing itself back to USA. This could well be a Good Thing.
kained&able
24-07-2005, 09:33
Sadly Bret (assuming you mean 'The Hitman') Hart can't wrestle ever again due to serious brain injury he picked up at the hands of Goldberg because Goldberg couldnt wrestle. :(
ummm word is that bret can wrestle kinda again if he wanted to. the brain stuff has all cleared up and he can walka agin. But anyway all he would need to do hit hbk over the head with something apply the sharpshooter and job done.
don't think the hebner thing is a work though, although if it is then fair play.
and yes tna with a proper tv deal is going to a good good thing especilly with all the relesed wwe wrestlers. dudleys(inc spike), shannon moore, akio and billy kidman would be great on tna. possibly place for a few others like charlie haas as well although wouldn't be suprised if him and jindrak end up on ROH.
dave
i_hate_beckham
24-07-2005, 14:19
Anyone going be to be watching the Great American Bash tonight?
Wowbagger
24-07-2005, 15:29
Anyone going be to be watching the Great American Bash tonight?
Is it on free or do I have to pay for it?
i_hate_beckham
24-07-2005, 16:11
Is it on free or do I have to pay for it?
Free. Sky Sports 1 @ 1am.
Rocket Romano
24-07-2005, 19:15
They sacked Earl?
Wtf
Earl and Dave? But they ARE the WWE!
Nobody does the slow laboured 3 fledging arms in air 3 count like the Hebners
i_hate_beckham
24-07-2005, 23:01
They sacked Earl?
Wtf
Earl and Dave? But they ARE the WWE!
Nobody does the slow laboured 3 fledging arms in air 3 count like the Hebners
Oh that really pisses me off the way they pretend to be hurt by nothing more than a feather light touch.
Lisarocket
24-07-2005, 23:38
Anyone going be to be watching the Great American Bash tonight?
I will be...for as long as i can stay up :D
I've missed loads of wrestling recently...so i'm quite looking forward to it :)
Wowbagger
24-07-2005, 23:44
They sacked Earl?
Wtf
Earl and Dave? But they ARE the WWE!
Nobody does the slow laboured 3 fledging arms in air 3 count like the Hebners
Yes, but nobody does the "I'm going to kick my leg out behind me and wheel my arm wildly in the air thus completely ruining the tension of this three count" like Earl. He's always ruined big matches for me, because if you know what to look for you can always tell whether he's going to count three or whether the pinned man is going to do a 1-2-3-hegothimnohedidn't!
Lisarocket
24-07-2005, 23:48
They sacked Earl?
Wtf
Earl and Dave? But they ARE the WWE!
Nobody does the slow laboured 3 fledging arms in air 3 count like the Hebners
:eek: :confused: :( :mad:
I know i've missed a bit, but when did that happen?
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 00:22
WHHHHHHHHHHHHHAT A RUSH!!! :cool:
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 00:28
:eek: :confused: :( :mad:
I know i've missed a bit, but when did that happen?
During the week. Him and his brother were selling WWE shirts at the shop they own.
Brian Hebner is still around, though, as the current match in the ring proves.
Fake edit: Way to show off how damn short-sighted you are by putting the titles on an old fat guy and a crappy poet, while putting them over your only legit tag team (on this show, at least), probably so they can sell ten more DVDs.
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 00:45
During the week. Him and his brother were selling WWE shirts at the shop they own.
Brian Hebner is still around, though, as the current match in the ring proves.
Fake edit: Way to show off how damn short-sighted you are by putting the titles on an old fat guy and a crappy poet, while putting them over your only legit tag team (on this show, at least), probably so they can sell ten more DVDs.
Yes but that 'old fat guy' is the fucking living ledgend Road Warrior Animal from the greatest tag-team ever Legion of Doom. Him and the crappy poet will lose them soon enough its just good to see the guy win a title one last time.
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 00:48
Yes but that 'old fat guy' is the fucking living ledgend Road Warrior Animal from the greatest tag-team ever Legion of Doom. Him and the crappy poet will lose them soon enough its just good to see the guy win a title one last time.
Yes, but it could well kill the credibility of their one legit tag team dead as a can of Spam. No point giving him the strap one last time if it fucks your tag division over in the future.
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 00:53
Yes, but it could well kill the credibility of their one legit tag team dead as a can of Spam. No point giving him the strap one last time if it fucks your tag division over in the future.
You need more than one team for a division. They need to bring in other teams like how TNA have with 3 or 4 good tag teams.
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 01:09
You're not going to build a tag division around Legion of Friends, though, unless you want to commit to months and years of Animal waddling round the ring shitting up everything he comes into contact with.
Come on, WWE. Show UPN where they can stick their shit about Hassan.
That'll be the Hassan questioned answered, too.
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 01:31
That'll be the Hassan questioned answered, too.
That looked really nasty.
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 01:37
Oh, come on. How obvious was the BIG LONG CAMERA DELAY while they shifted the stunt bag or the pole vault mattress out of the way?
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 01:39
Oh, come on. How obvious was the BIG LONG CAMERA DELAY while they shifted the stunt bag or the pole vault mattress out of the way?
Thats why i said it 'looked' nasty not that it 'was' nasty. :rolleyes:
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 01:44
No, it didn't look nasty. It looked like a man disappearing into a large gap where there was something nice and fluffy and soft to catch him, else they would have actually shown him hitting the floor.
Maybe I'm just too cynical. Or maybe I've seen Shane McMahon doing forty-foot jumps off the top of things too many times.
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 01:47
No, it didn't look nasty. It looked like a man disappearing into a large gap where there was something nice and fluffy and soft to catch him, else they would have actually shown him hitting the floor.
Maybe I'm just too cynical. Or maybe I've seen Shane McMahon doing forty-foot jumps off the top of things too many times.
But the vast quatities of 'blood' flowing out of the back of his head was less than pleasent.
Either Eddie is Dominic's dad, he is adopted or Rey got a hooker pregnant and gave bith to him i reckon.
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 01:55
Bah! The Mass Transit Incident was less than pleasant. This was a walk in the park by comparison.
I personally would like to know why Eddie keeps grabbing his crotch. Especially when he was advancing towards the kid. *That's* scary.
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 01:56
Maybe the secret is that he fucked Dominic. The kid does call him 'uncle Eddie' despite not being related to him. :eek:
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 02:02
Well, I'm not watching Smackdown if this crappy angle is going to continue. I might watch some paint dry instead.
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 02:03
It is rather dull i agree, but then Smackdown has been rather dull for a long time.
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 02:04
And now, just to add some deeply-needed star power, here's JBL, wearing a French tricolour hat.
All right, so his stick skills have improved since he got shoved into the main event. He still can't wrestle for shit, though.
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 02:06
And he has the most boring and crap finisher of all time.
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 02:09
Dunno about that. At least it looks like it hurts. I nominate the Garvin Stomp.
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 02:16
Doesnt look like it hurts anymore than a regular clothesline and people kick out of moves that are so much more powerful than that.
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 02:25
Dunno. I've always had a soft spot for a fucking enormous lariat ever since I first saw Stan Hansen lariating the fuck out of people.
Now then. Dare they switch the title and complete a 100% run of shitty results?
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 02:27
I thought the outcome of the Bra and Panties match was pretty awesome to be fair.
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 02:33
This is true. How long since the titty match was the best thing on the card?
Fake edit: Armageddon 2000, duh.
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 02:40
This match is rather run of the mill crap as well. :(
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 02:47
What a perfect finish to the shittiest PPV I've ever seen live. Nick Patrick's earphone falls out and then he puts it back in just in time to DQ the babyface champion.
So, no reason to watch Thursdays after all.
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 02:57
If i'd payed for that i'd of been deeply deeply disappointed.
kained&able
25-07-2005, 09:56
the rey vs eddie match was pretty good, shite angle though. and booker t vs christian was okay.
everything else was fucking shite. Orlando jordon has no heat at all which is a shame and he seems to have very few moves other thena fucking arm bar. If MnM don't get thier belts back soon that is going to be ridiculous and how the fuck is JBL a main eventer i still can't work it out. He is one of the most limited wrestlers around.
thank fuck for tna, much better wrestling and much better workers. Same shite angles but hey it is wrestling.
dave
kained&able
25-07-2005, 16:13
theres a reply of the wwe ppv by the looks of things tonight at 9, if anyone is intrested.
dave
Lisarocket
25-07-2005, 20:06
I managed to watch the first few matches and then nodded off...
What i've seen so far was a bit underwhelming. I have hopes for the Eddie and Rey match....my mate should be dropping a dvd around soon...
Having looked at everyones comments it looks like the bra and panties match is the highlight of the night :D
I've not been watching for a few weeks. Everything changes so quickly in WWE. When did 'The mexicools' turn up? And was i right in hearing that one of them is Super Crazy from ECW? I always rated him...
Am i going a bit mad/have a bad memory or am i right in thinking that this is the first time WWE have had a 'great American Bash' and that it used to be one of the WCW PPVs?
Rocket Romano
25-07-2005, 20:11
Well that was crap.
Really crap. WCW in the 1980's crap. All it needed was Akeem to come out.
I don't like Animal winning the title. The WWE have been using a lot of cheap nostalgia pops lately. I told 'em what to do...Legends PPV, Old WWE-WWF, it'd probably be crap but buyrate and nostalgic pops aplenty
Lisarocket
25-07-2005, 20:38
Well that was crap.
Really crap. WCW in the 1980's crap. All it needed was Akeem to come out.
I don't like Animal winning the title. The WWE have been using a lot of cheap nostalgia pops lately. I told 'em what to do...Legends PPV, Old WWE-WWF, it'd probably be crap but buyrate and nostalgic pops aplenty
I was watching bits of heat beforehand to catch up on what's been going on. Do you think that they are grooming Batista to be the next Rock?
He's starting to look like he's got the Rock mannerisms and moves...
Just a thought like...
Wowbagger
25-07-2005, 22:14
I told 'em what to do...Legends PPV, Old WWE-WWF, it'd probably be crap but buyrate and nostalgic pops aplenty
*COUGHlegendsofwrestlingjakepretendingtomasturbatewithasnakeHACK*
I've not been watching for a few weeks. Everything changes so quickly in WWE. When did 'The mexicools' turn up? And was i right in hearing that one of them is Super Crazy from ECW? I always rated him...
The Mexicools showed up after One Night Stand: they are Super Crazy, Juventud Guerrera and Psicosis. That "Juan Deere" gag and the bit with the Spanish announcers and the rake was one of the few remotely amusing or entertaining moments.
Am i going a bit mad/have a bad memory or am i right in thinking that this is the first time WWE have had a 'great American Bash' and that it used to be one of the WCW PPVs?
The Great American Bash is a name that was originally used by the NWA (first for a single PPV and then a tour of similar-quality shows) and then by WCW. It's the second time that WWE's used it, and it appears to be replacing King of the Ring as the WWE Official 100% Guaranteed Shit Show Of The Year, the perfect fate considering the legacy of the 1991 Bash...
i_hate_beckham
25-07-2005, 23:30
My brother wont let me watch RAW. :( :( :(
kained&able
26-07-2005, 09:38
raw results (http://www.rajah.com/base/2005/3804)
just for you oh hater of beckham.
eugene has angles medals!!!!
dave
i_hate_beckham
28-07-2005, 23:56
Anyone going to bother watching Smackdown tomorrow?
kained&able
29-07-2005, 09:27
possibly but only beacuse im broke wont be going out and im hoping that frankie kazerian will be on there soon.
apparentley wwe have resigned jamie noble(james gibson) and spanky. they may have realised that they have no cruiser weight faces left.
dave
Rocket Romano
29-07-2005, 10:19
On a brighter side
Coliseum Home Videos (minus Sean Moody...where did he go?!) and Silver Vision have released some cracking DVD's appealing to sentiment. Stars of the 80's DVD's
A lot of NWA stuff (thats the real one, not Borash's stupid shaped ring bunch)
kained&able
29-07-2005, 11:07
yay old school nwa get to wtch hour long ric flair matches. oh the joy.
dave
i_hate_beckham
01-08-2005, 19:26
Smackdown was better than expected, my guess on the Dominic secret was right. UIts so blatantly a lie though, Dominic is the spitting image of Rey Mysterio.
kained&able
01-08-2005, 20:42
pssst its wrestling all the angles are fake(except possibly the mat hardy/edge one depending on waht they do with it)
no happy about jbl getting yet another title shot. Orton vs taker should be a good mach for summerslam though.
dave
i_hate_beckham
01-08-2005, 22:28
pssst its wrestling all the angles are fake
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/PHO/AAGJ132.jpg :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Wowbagger
02-08-2005, 01:07
apparentley wwe have resigned jamie noble(james gibson) and spanky. they may have realised that they have no cruiser weight faces left.
You seem to be operating under the assumption that Vince cares about cruiserweights.
kained&able
02-08-2005, 09:16
very very true. But oin the last couple of weeks its been the mexicools vs the face team of paul london, scotty two hotty and funaki!
Vince may not give a flying fuck about cruiserweights but he knows that funaki and scotty ain't good for ratings.
Anyway jamie noble and spanky are both outstanding when used right, add to them frankie kazerian(if they let him wrestle properly) kid kash, the mexicools and you have the starts of a decent cruiserweight division.
But if they get pissed off they know ehere they would be welcome.
dave
i_hate_beckham
02-08-2005, 12:42
Vince may not give a flying fuck about cruiserweights but he knows that funaki and scotty ain't good for ratings.
Scotty 2 Hotty and Grandmaster Sexay as a tag team = fucking awesome
Scotty 2 Hotty as a singles competitor = dire rubbish
kained&able
02-08-2005, 13:46
yeah too cool were good for the comedy value if nothing else, he really needs a tag partner does scotty.
dave
i_hate_beckham
02-08-2005, 19:56
There's a point what happened to Rakishi???
Rocket Romano
03-08-2005, 20:42
A couple of snippets
WWE.com reports that Brock Lesnar has withdrawn from negotiations with the WWE, considering theres an ongoing lawsuit, the WWE would not normally cover nor release news on negotiations. This is clearly a shoot
Bigger News...Bret Hart was scheduled at Titan Towers today to meet WWE execs over a possible return, possible to the Hall of Fame...reported on WWE.com
Bigger News Still...Dusty Rhodes of TNA has arrived at WWE HQ to meet with Step McMahon....reported on WWE.com and they'll follow updates
Interesting, are WWE in for TNA, are they TNA's mystery backer? Or are they poaching the stars to kill it off?
Thoughts?
i_hate_beckham
03-08-2005, 23:53
Shame about Brock Lesnar, if Bret Hart isnt in the Hall of Fame it will be a crime against the sport and the Dusty thing is to weird.
kained&able
04-08-2005, 19:08
dusty rhodes was fired from tna about a month ago. and the ojnly person they have paoched thus far is frankie kazerian.
dave
i_hate_beckham
04-08-2005, 19:09
dusty rhodes was fired from tna about a month ago. and the ojnly person they have paoched thus far is frankie kazerian.
dave
Fired for what?
Rocket Romano
04-08-2005, 19:30
Being creative?
TNA will not survive against the WWE in any sort of competitive format.
It will be a low-card event like ROH
Updates on Lesnar, the whole WWE.com angle is looking more and more like a work
Wowbagger
04-08-2005, 20:06
Fired for what?
Possibly for being one of the shittier bookers around. I do hope that Vince isn't entertaining thoughts of him being the man to turn WWE around. There's a reason it's called the Dusty Finish.
kained&able
04-08-2005, 20:31
i reckon tna will start pegging away at wwe.
Purely beacuse it is a very different show. Vince can't be arsed with cruiser weights TNA loves them with an absolute passion. Therefore there is room for both companies in the same way that wasn't true with wcw(just same names different show in the most part).
I can't imagine vince admitting he was wrong and going out and signing half of tna, which is the only real way they are going to fall unless they get shit ratings on spike tv.
Can't remember why dusty was fired i know they still wanted him as theier commisoner type thingy just not booking matches anymore, which is more then fair enough he is shit at the job.
tna bookers are now larry zybiysko, mike tenay, bill banks and scott d'amore i think. oh and jeff jarett obviously!
dave
i_hate_beckham
04-08-2005, 23:06
How is the Matt Hardy vs Edge match at Summerslam going to work?
Matt Hardy really was dating Lita and she really ran off with his friend Edge. If i was Matt i'd fuck wrestling and use it as an excuse to legally beat the shit of Edge and vise versa if i was Edge i want to fuck Matt up so badly that he wouldnt again comment on me running off with his girlfriend.
kained&able
06-08-2005, 10:42
yeah could be an intresting one that. Guess it all depends on how profesisonal they are, and if they want a job/push at the end of summerslam.
Been reading that apperantly vince want the crusier weights to tone down there style and has unofficially banned the 450 splsh and shooting star press. If this is true then it means that yet again vince hates lightweights and that divison is going to suck balls.
dave
Lisarocket
06-08-2005, 12:03
very very true. But oin the last couple of weeks its been the mexicools vs the face team of paul london, scotty two hotty and funaki!
Vince may not give a flying fuck about cruiserweights but he knows that funaki and scotty ain't good for ratings.
dave
They're letting Funaki wrestle again :confused:
They must have run out of cruiserweights....
Anyway, what happened to Taka Michinoku his tag team partner in Kai and Tai. He was a much better wrestler :)
Lisarocket
06-08-2005, 12:06
There's a point what happened to Rakishi???
I think he's had recurring injury problems since he did a dive off a steel cage onto a flatbed truck at a PPV once. He was off for ages after it. Busted ribs etc. I think he punctured his lung.
That was ages ago though, but he's hardly been about since then.
On another note, i've heard that quite a few of the WWE script writers have walked out. This may explain why the angles and stories have been less than good recently.
kained&able
06-08-2005, 13:15
taka michenoku owns his own promotion in japan(mischinouku pro) and is making shit loads from it. He is an outstanding wrestler.
rakeshi got booted out from wwe a year ago after wrestling for his cousins promtion while still on the wwe injured list if memory serves. He has done fuck all since leaving wwe.
dave
i_hate_beckham
09-08-2005, 01:45
RAW is good so far tonight. As many matches in the first 45 minutes than the whole of last weeks Smackdown. :cool:
kained&able
15-08-2005, 15:36
they have mad the eddie/rey match at summerslam a ladder match. should be class :cool:
shame i don't want to pay for a ppv though :(
dave
Rocket Romano
15-08-2005, 19:39
Summerslam and Wrestlemania and the Rumble should be the jewels in Sky's WWE crown and be free to air
i_hate_beckham
15-08-2005, 20:24
Summerslam and Wrestlemania and the Rumble should be the jewels in Sky's WWE crown and be free to air
They havent been free for nearly 5 years though. :(
i_hate_beckham
16-08-2005, 01:15
When Bret Harts music hit tonight i had a shiver down my spine but then i was deeply dissapointed. :( :( :(
Wowbagger
16-08-2005, 01:19
Oh, that wacky wacky Shawn, teasing us so.
Best first 15 in forever. They're not going to be able to follow it, but that's okay.
i_hate_beckham
16-08-2005, 01:24
Oh, that wacky wacky Shawn, teasing us so.
Best first 15 in forever. They're not going to be able to follow it, but that's okay.
I thought after the recent meetings between WWE and Bret it might just might be possible he would come out........... :(
Besides the disappointment yeah it was the best 15 for ages, the fans reactions were perfect.
kained&able
16-08-2005, 08:50
I reckon bret will be back for summerslam screwing shawn out of his match with hulk hogan.
Seems the only reason to make micheals work heel all of a sudden as it wouldn't have been hard to book hogan/micheals in a boith face see who the better man is type angle.
Frankie kazerian has resigned from wwe by the way, he got promised he would be straight on smackdown and wasn't and got told he wasn't allowed to do decent crusierweight spin around 6 times in the air type moves.
I'm sure TNA will be very very happy.
dave
i_hate_beckham
16-08-2005, 23:08
Frankie kazerian has resigned from wwe by the way, he got promised he would be straight on smackdown and wasn't and got told he wasn't allowed to do decent crusierweight spin around 6 times in the air type moves.
I'm sure TNA will be very very happy.
dave
He is still listed as a Smackdown superstar. :confused:
kained&able
17-08-2005, 14:12
on his website he has aid he has left so im sticking with that
http://frankiekazarian.temp.powweb.com/index2.shtml
dave
i_hate_beckham
17-08-2005, 14:36
Any news on what happened with Balls Mahoney's trial with the WWE?
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