LFC are a bunch of lazy bastards.

[ch750536]

That game hurt.

Benitez is a close second to a trained monkey.
Got to go, LFC are in freefall.

I hope Gerrard & Carragher leave, no need for LFC to drag them down, and good luck to them.

:mad:

[CK1977]

I think Rafa seems to be doing what Houillier did except instead of buying French rubbish he's buying Spanish rubbish. :D

Apart from Alonso (who I think is outstanding) and Morientes (who is a proven world class striker), the rest of his buys have been a crock of shit!!!

If Gerrard leaves which is looking quite likely, Rafa will need to spend the money wisely on proven quality players because if not I can see Liverpool being extremely mediocre.

[Relahni]

I think Rafa seems to be doing what Houillier did except instead of buying French rubbish he's buying Spanish rubbish. :D

Apart from Alonso (who I think is outstanding) and Morientes (who is a proven world class striker), the rest of his buys have been a crock of shit!!!

If Gerrard leaves which is looking quite likely, Rafa will need to spend the money wisely on proven quality players because if not I can see Liverpool being extremely mediocre.


I think Baros is being linked to Fiorentina - and Gerrard is looking like he'll go too.

It must be tricky being manager of Liverpool. On the one hand you have lots of spoiled bastard type fans who want success yesterday and will scream and scream if they don't get it. Then you look at the players you have and they are not going to get you success that the fans want. you then look at the finances and that's not going to get you success. So what can you realistically expect? Top four finish and a couple of cup runs?

I'm happy with Benitez - at least this season we've seen a bit of decent football! Under Houllier, I found his style almost unbearable to watch.

It's been brilliant to see Alonso pass the ball around. OK, Arsenal and Chelsea both kicked lumps out of him when we played against them, because they knew that we are a totally different proposition without Xabi.

Xabi is our lock picker - he is an excellent passer. Stevie G drives the team but Xabi is superb.

morientes is our first big signing for ages! Baros is great to watch. sure we still have shite left from Houllier's reign and some of Rafa's signings look piss poor - but I'd sooner have half decent footie - than 10 men behind the ball - hoof it up to Owen and hope for the best.

Last time I looked we were in the semi final of the League cup - fifth in the league, amazingly still in the CL! It's not the glory days of twenty years ago, those days are gone, but it's not so bad!

[R.I.C.O.]

Liverpool fans, as of always, represent what is bad about the English game - gloryhunting. Just because they are out of the TOP THREE must mean that they are DOOMED for all eternity....there is no joy amongst their fans - everything is a moan. The amount of moaners on 606 every week beggers belief, and I'm sure they have more fairweather fans than ManUre, Arse and Ch£lsea put together.

GET BEHIND YOU LOCAL TEAM!

[Pickman's model]

GET BEHIND YOU LOCAL TEAM!shurely "get thee behind me, tottenham"?

[Rocket Romano]

I hope Gerrard & Carragher leave, no need for LFC to drag them down, and good luck to them.

:mad:

Carragher?

Maybe if he hadn't have so blatantly cocked up for the second goal.

Where's Crouch? Oh there he is, do'h, 2-0...never mind

[mmmSkyscraper]

Sweet Child 'o mine.

Did somebody just say Benitez has to go? Seriously?

So, a man who inherited a woeful team should be condemned after 6 months in the job?

He's got a proven pedigree and is largely celebrated in the Spanish broadsheets as the man who ended the domination of the 'Galacticos' by winning two Primera Ligas in 3 years. He also won the UEFA cup and made Valencia a force in the CL.

This season we have spent the bulk of the time with no proven strikers, having not replaced Owen until 2 weeks ago, and losing Baros nad Cisse to injury. We have also spent a lot of time without Gerrard, Smicer, Kewell, Josemi, Finnan, Kirkland and now Alonso.

Despite that, we are still challenging for a Champions League spot, 'leading at half time' in the semi of the Carling Cup, and in the last 16 of the Champions League.

Now I know a lot of criticism has been levelled at the manager and some of his buys, but ffs, give them a chance:
Alonso - class.
Morientes (same price as Beattie) proven class, although not had the chance to show it yet.
Garcia - clearly has the talent, but been far too lightweight and has not settled into the pace of the game yet.
Josemi - started really well then tailed off, seemed to lose confidence.
Pellegrino - proven track record but looked out of sorts in both games he's played so far.
Nunez - Beginning to doubt he's actually a footballer to be honest.

Now, as most people here will know, starting a new job is never that easy - add to that it's very different over here, and that it's in a new country, and that they may need time to settle on and off the pitch. To condemn these lads after less than 20 games is quite unbelievable.
Staggering as it is, it's not surprising coming from nouveau fans who probably don't even know where Anfield is, never mind go there regularly.

Apart from Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U and (questionably) Everton, which other club in the Prem would not love to be in our position?

[sleaterkinney]

Bloody hell, watching Hyypia and Pellegrino on MOTD I felt like calling Age Concern, it was cruel to watch them trying to chase the ball, we need faster players all over the shop/

[chegrimandi]

:D whispers: alright scrapper :D

[mmmSkyscraper]

:D whispers: alright scrapper :D
Hi mate. Missed me? :D

My scrapping days are over, btw...!

[Numbers]

Welcome back bro... you gonna behave now then? :p

[mmmSkyscraper]

Hi Tony - no more aggro from me old son. I've been kindly let back in on the proviso that I don't act like an arse and that I provide some much needed comedy value to the footy forum*.

Hope you are well mate.



*Only one of those statements is true.

[holteman]

ahh ya back then...

[mmmSkyscraper]

My, look how you've all grown...

[souljacker]

Not only am I glad to see you back mmmmm, but I agree with you too!

Give them man a chance. Someone was gonna get a beating from the new Southampton regime, just happened to be the pool. Give him a season and he'll be doing it (I reckon).

[ch750536]

Liverpool fans, as of always, represent what is bad about the English game - gloryhunting. Just because they are out of the TOP THREE must mean that they are DOOMED for all eternity....there is no joy amongst their fans - everything is a moan. The amount of moaners on 606 every week beggers belief, and I'm sure they have more fairweather fans than ManUre, Arse and Ch£lsea put together.

GET BEHIND YOU LOCAL TEAM!

What on earth made you think I am a liverpool fan?

[ch750536]

Carragher?

Maybe if he hadn't have so blatantly cocked up for the second goal.

Where's Crouch? Oh there he is, do'h, 2-0...never mind

Wasn't his job to cover that, SH & Pele were on hols, he was the only man there to mark two players.

[ch750536]

Sweet Child 'o mine.

Did somebody just say Benitez has to go? Seriously?

So, a man who inherited a woeful team should be condemned after 6 months in the job?

He's got a proven pedigree and is largely celebrated in the Spanish broadsheets as the man who ended the domination of the 'Galacticos' by winning two Primera Ligas in 3 years. He also won the UEFA cup and made Valencia a force in the CL.

This season we have spent the bulk of the time with no proven strikers, having not replaced Owen until 2 weeks ago, and losing Baros nad Cisse to injury. We have also spent a lot of time without Gerrard, Smicer, Kewell, Josemi, Finnan, Kirkland and now Alonso.

Despite that, we are still challenging for a Champions League spot, 'leading at half time' in the semi of the Carling Cup, and in the last 16 of the Champions League.

Now I know a lot of criticism has been levelled at the manager and some of his buys, but ffs, give them a chance:
Alonso - class.
Morientes (same price as Beattie) proven class, although not had the chance to show it yet.
Garcia - clearly has the talent, but been far too lightweight and has not settled into the pace of the game yet.
Josemi - started really well then tailed off, seemed to lose confidence.
Pellegrino - proven track record but looked out of sorts in both games he's played so far.
Nunez - Beginning to doubt he's actually a footballer to be honest.

Now, as most people here will know, starting a new job is never that easy - add to that it's very different over here, and that it's in a new country, and that they may need time to settle on and off the pitch. To condemn these lads after less than 20 games is quite unbelievable.
Staggering as it is, it's not surprising coming from nouveau fans who probably don't even know where Anfield is, never mind go there regularly.

Apart from Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U and (questionably) Everton, which other club in the Prem would not love to be in our position?

Fact: Benitez has never ever bought a player before. Not once.
Fact: Benitez has played the most bizarre tactics of the season so for, Middlesbrough fans can fill you in on this.
Fact: He told the ref before the players went in at halftime that he was putting pongole on. FFS, they showed it on sky sports!! I know it may not have been a game changing substitution, but wait until after half time at least.
Fact: Despite his fuckups, SG got the team through to the UCL.
Fact: 24 points from top, 21 from the bottom
Fact: This stage last year LFC had more points.

He is shit. Not just having a bad run, its like when you let someone have a go on your moped who says they know how to ride one and they just crash into a hedge. Gonna let them try again?

[happie chappie]

A Liverpool banner at the Southampton game read:

"Victorious and Glorious - Rafa's Red Army"

I've hardly stopped laughing since Saturday.

Happie Chappie
:) :)

[ch750536]

Staggering as it is, it's not surprising coming from nouveau fans who probably don't even know where Anfield is, never mind go there regularly.

Hope your not referring to me, I am not a liverpool fan, just football.

[R.I.C.O.]

Hope your not referring to me, I am not a liverpool fan, just football.

So you cheer the football as it gets kicked around then?

I can just imagine it:

"Go on son, spin in an anti-clockwise position to decieve the player"

[mmmSkyscraper]

He is shit. Not just having a bad run, its like when you let someone have a go on your moped who says they know how to ride one and they just crash into a hedge. Gonna let them try again?


I promised myself I wasn't going to get into an argument on my first day back. :D

On what basis is he shit exactly? Do you mean in general, or for Liverpool? In general, er, no he's not, his record speaks for itself. And for Liverpool, how you can make an educated (going out on a limb there) judgement based on a couple of TV games you have watched from the comfort of your armchair? When you leave school and get a job (back on that limb again), will you expect to be sacked if you're not employee of the year after 6 months? (How many stars will you need on your name badge, by the way?)

Fortunately I only take notice of people's opnions that are based on reality, not from people who learn all they need to know about footy from MOTD.

[g force]

It's waaayyy too early to pass judgement on what he can and can't do, given he's inhereted a very average team with a lot of dead wood - Simcer and Kewell in particular

Problem is, of the players LFC have, how many would make it into another quality team? Gerrard, Alonso, Baros, Morinetes. Possibly Cisse, but we may never know.

That's it - LFC have some very good players like Carragher who are having a shocking time of it. Others like Pongolle are going to be great players but are still too young to carry the team.

However, Rafa has made some bizarre choices and I think needs to hold up on the spanish transfers and let the squad settle:

1) Pellegrino has been pretty poor for 18 months - Valencia got rid of him for a reason. Slow beyong belief and questionable attitude
2) Nunez was never rated by anyone in Spain and now you know why.
3) Josemi is very average -that's why he was a squad player at an average team
4) Garcia...has potential but is more likely to be another De La Pena.

[mmmSkyscraper]

Fair assessment G-Force, although on Josemi's early form I would rate him higher than average - good solid full back. On later form I would rate him as a liability, but as anyone with half a brain agrees, you can't make sweeping judgements on players based on a handful of games.

[Pickman's model]

^ i thought that you'd been banned. :confused:

[shagged toffee]

^ i thought that you'd been banned. :confused:

Read the thread.

[Belushi]

I promised myself I wasn't going to get into an argument on my first day back.

Good to see you back mate ;)

[mmmSkyscraper]

I promised myself I wasn't going to get into an argument on my first day back.

Good to see you back mate ;)

Cheers mate! The anger management classed were a success. Apparently...

[ch750536]

So you cheer the football as it gets kicked around then?

I can just imagine it:

"Go on son, spin in an anti-clockwise position to decieve the player"


:)
More fun than being a liverpool fan these days.

[ch750536]

I promised myself I wasn't going to get into an argument on my first day back. :D

On what basis is he shit exactly? Do you mean in general, or for Liverpool? In general, er, no he's not, his record speaks for itself. And for Liverpool, how you can make an educated (going out on a limb there) judgement based on a couple of TV games you have watched from the comfort of your armchair? When you leave school and get a job (back on that limb again), will you expect to be sacked if you're not employee of the year after 6 months? (How many stars will you need on your name badge, by the way?)

Fortunately I only take notice of people's opnions that are based on reality, not from people who learn all they need to know about footy from MOTD.

Out on a limb indeed, i see a lot of football and know a lot of clubs. Believe me, people in liverpool want him and the spaniards he signed to shape up or sod off, they have already had enough.

Shit for LFC or in general? Not sure, I would say shit for the UK, having signed a number of spaniards that are having little effect, after seeing what a load of french players did to the squad, he still signs more. No stopping to think, just doing the job badly really.

[ch750536]

Fair assessment G-Force, although on Josemi's early form I would rate him higher than average - good solid full back. On later form I would rate him as a liability, but as anyone with half a brain agrees, you can't make sweeping judgements on players based on a handful of games.

How many games does it take?
Pellegrino = 2
Hyppia =297
Alonso =24

Your call.

[mmmSkyscraper]

Believe me, people in liverpool want him and the spaniards he signed to shape up or sod off, they have already had enough.


Er, do they? Well, take it from a 'person in Liverpool', no they don't. Genuine fans who go to the game week in week out are disappointed with our recent form, but on the whole are happy with the direction we have taken overall. In only half a season we have played much better football than on the whole of the last three years.


Shit for LFC or in general? Not sure, I would say shit for the UK, having signed a number of spaniards that are having little effect

Oh Jesus. You are everything that is wrong with nouveau fans. You're making knee jerk reactions to people who have been playing for a new club in a new country for only 6 months. I'm sure you don't understand how ridiculous that is. But it is.

By the way mate - which of the many clubs do you see and how often? I know Liverpool have been on the box a lot lately, so I suppose you think that qualifies you as a 'top pundit'. However, it clearly doesn't.

Incidentally, who else in the Prem should be sacked? Cos with the exception of the top 3, who wouldn't jump at being on the verge of a final place, last 16 in the CL and still well in with a shout at 4th spot?

At the end of the day, football is full of idiots with daft opinions. Why should you be any different?

[ernestolynch]

Hi Tony - no more aggro from me old son. I've been kindly let back in on the proviso that I don't act like an arse and that I provide some much needed comedy value to the footy forum*.

Hope you are well mate.



*Only one of those statements is true.


:cool:














You wannabe scouse cunt.

[mmmSkyscraper]

:cool:
You wannabe scouse cunt.

Hi mate - I was wondering when I'd get your welcome!

Hope all is well sunbeam.

Still gloryhunting? Been to any games this season yet?
And so it continues... :D

[ernestolynch]

A neverending circle of random abuse - boards have been a bit shite in yer absence. Flimsier tried to do a petition to get you back by the way.

[ch750536]

Oh Jesus. You are everything that is wrong with nouveau fans. You're making knee jerk reactions to people who have been playing for a new club in a new country for only 6 months. I'm sure you don't understand how ridiculous that is. But it is.

Exactly, stop fucking signing them.

Glad you agree.

[mmmSkyscraper]

A neverending circle of random abuse - boards have been a bit shite in yer absence. Flimsier tried to do a petition to get you back by the way.
Did he? I feel bad now for having a right farewell blast at him. Well, he's still on to win his bet for the crate of lager, so that'll make it up to him!

Got to be a bit careful with the random abuse this time...

Did I get troll of the year by the way?

[ch750536]

By the way mate - which of the many clubs do you see and how often? I know Liverpool have been on the box a lot lately, so I suppose you think that qualifies you as a 'top pundit'. However, it clearly doesn't.

At the end of the day, football is full of idiots with daft opinions. Why should you be any different?

Oops, not descending into my tickets bigger/redder/smells prettier than your ticket thing again are we.

No, not a top pundit, have opinion & respect yours.

Football is not full of idiots with daft opinions, some are quite knowledgable and interesting, why should I be any different?

[ernestolynch]

Did he? I feel bad now for having a right farewell blast at him. Well, he's still on to win his bet for the crate of lager, so that'll make it up to him!

Got to be a bit careful with the random abuse this time...

Did I get troll of the year by the way?

You steamed it! Shame that's the only thing you Mickeys will win this year ha ha.

You've a great keeper by the way.

[mmmSkyscraper]

Exactly, stop fucking signing them.

Glad you agree.

Who? Morientes - proven class striker, cost the same as Beattie. Alonso - top class midfielder, would get in any team in the UK. Garcia - skillful touches, no end product yet. Needs time to settle. Nunez - forced on us with the Owen sale. No use whatsoever yet. Josemi - solid full back at first, lost a bit of confidence. AGAIN, needs time to settle before anyone with half a brain can pass judgement. Pellegrino - free, came as cover.

If you really think Benitez should be sacked after 6 months of an injury ravaged season, after inheriting a poor squad, and losing our main goalscorer to Madrid, then you CLEARLY know fuck all about the game.

So, Mr Footy fan, where do you stand on Jol at Spurs? Should he be sacked?

How about O'Leary? What about Souness? See what I'm getting at. Now get a grip.

[mmmSkyscraper]

You steamed it! Shame that's the only thing you Mickeys will win this year ha ha.

You've a great keeper by the way.
Carson? I know. Got him for a song as well.

Do I get a badge for winning then?

[mmmSkyscraper]

Football is not full of idiots with daft opinions, some are quite knowledgable and interesting, why should I be any different?


Dunno, you just are.

[ernestolynch]

Carson? I know. Got him for a song as well.

Do I get a badge for winning then?

I meant jumper or sweater or whatever.

You don't get a badge you get a little fez with a Blue Peter badge on it, in memory of the biggest troll ever....


http://www.spleen.dsl.pipex.com/images-joey/jdanim.gif

[ch750536]

So, Mr Footy fan, where do you stand on Jol at Spurs? Should he be sacked?

How about O'Leary? What about Souness? See what I'm getting at. Now get a grip.

OLeary is doing just fine, meeting expectations at this point.
Jol now has the opportunity, lets see over the next few weeks.
Souness is doing the job he was signed to do, change the attitude.

I can't believe any football fan can come out with the pure bullshit you just spurted about alonso et al. Morientes, yes, looks a good player. Other than that, all other signings he has made have just been a big dissapointment. Are you telling me & the rest of the world that any of those other players are semi-decent squad players.

I like to giggle, sometimes it gets too funny tho.

[mmmSkyscraper]

OLeary is doing just fine, meeting expectations at this point.
Jol now has the opportunity, lets see over the next few weeks.
Souness is doing the job he was signed to do, change the attitude.

I can't believe any football fan can come out with the pure bullshit you just spurted about alonso et al. Morientes, yes, looks a good player. Other than that, all other signings he has made have just been a big dissapointment. Are you telling me & the rest of the world that any of those other players are semi-decent squad players.

I like to giggle, sometimes it gets too funny tho.

The thing is, all you're doing is regurgitating tabloid nonsense. None of your 'opinions' are based on real life knowledge. And that's ok to a point - not everyone can get to the games. But to launch a tirade saying Benitez should be sacked after only 24 games, and that LFC are in a freefall is quite frankly laughable.

On the player point, you are still ignoring the fact that no man is able to pass a complete judgement based on half a season, especially someone who has seen a handful of games on MOTD. By putting Alonso in the 'big disappointment' bracket you have shown yourself as a poor armchair pundit - before you repeat what Hansen & Lawrenson are spouting, plus that McGovern cock from the Mirror, do some real research.

It was interesting to see that O'Leary is 'meeting expectations' and Jol has 'the opportunity' - can you tell me what your expectations were for Liverpool then mate? Could it have been last 16 Champions League, 4th spot and maybe a decent cup run? By any chance?

Unless you start to make sense, I'm going to have to politely back out of this one. I have been away for a while and I don't know who you are (you could be an arse, you could be sound), but I'm not wasting time arguing over the 'sacking' of Benitez with someone who clearly does not know what he's talking about.

[flimsier]

Need to make one thing very clear.

I did not start a petition to get the RedShite back. Fuckin' cunt that he is. Trying to welch on a bet! :mad:

Anyway, skyscraper, when you're in London we can share the crate, and if you are never here, you can send it :p

I am actually pleased you are back

[mmmSkyscraper]

I can see you now flims, tied to a tree with a big banner demanding I'm allowed back in. Nice one swampy.

And you're crate was nevr in doubt, unless of course the blues go on a massive downward spiral since Gravesen fucked you off. Here's hoping...

Cheers Flims.

[flimsier]

You're fucking hoping....

we have got more points per game with Grav not starting than with him starting.

Morientes creating/ personally being in a downward spiral is more likely.....!

7 points is a fair bit... I reckon you'd have given me 20/1 start of the season on us being above you, no?

[mmmSkyscraper]

Beattie, 6m. Morientes, 6.3m.

Don't get too deflated when we go past you sunbeam, it was always going to happen.

7 points but we have a better GD. We win the derby, it's down to 4 points. 4 points to make up over 14 games. Very do-able.

[flimsier]

Big ifs sunshine.

We're the better side and it would take some collapse to finish below the RedShites.

What was the score in the derby, by the way?

[mmmSkyscraper]

Big ifs sunshine.

We're the better side and it would take some collapse to finish below the RedShites.



Better side? :D

Know what makes me laugh - Everton are doing 'so well' this year under Moyes, playing EXACTLY the same style of football you pilloried Houllier for last year. Tough to break down, hoof it up to the forwards. Not pretty to watch (how many times have you seen them this year mate?) but you can grind out some results.

As for us, well, what were our expectations for this season? 4th spot, last 16 Champions League, decent cup run? Er, o.k. Achieved all that, by and large and recent results excluded, by playing attractive, attacking football, something that I haven't seen at Anfield for a long while.

So, whatever happens this season (barring a catastrophic slide between now and the end of the year) I'm a lot happier than last year.

[sleaterkinney]

Big ifs sunshine.

We're the better side and it would take some collapse to finish below the RedShites.

What was the score in the derby, by the way?This one, or the previous 10 or 11?

[flimsier]

No, we play with commitment. Redshites have none of that.

And you seem to have changed decent cup run to 'decent run in any cup'.

And sleater, you can live in previous seasons, but we're talking about this one.

Of course, Benitez has been hundreds of times better than Houllier - except you had more points this time last year. :D:D:D

[mmmSkyscraper]

Commitment? Like Gravesen, who jumped ship at the first occasion, and Ferguson, who preferred to take £50,000 a week and sit in the stands rather than move on and reduce the burden on the wage bill.

Everton are playing very ugly football and have ground out results by getting stuck in and working really hard.

Tight at the back, get the ball, hoof it long, fight for the scraps. And you laughed at Houllier for that.

[tarannau]

Tight at the back, get the ball, hoof it long, fight for the scraps. And you laughed at Houllier for that.

Yeah, but Moyes hasn't been continually talking about his 5/6/7 year plan, as if that would assure success was just round the corner.

And he hasn't spent xxumpteen million on inferior defensive midfield cloggers and dodgy French players either.

No boggle eyes either...

:p

[flimsier]

Commitment? Like Gravesen, who jumped ship at the first occasion, and Ferguson, who preferred to take £50,000 a week and sit in the stands rather than move on and reduce the burden on the wage bill.


Stayed for four years, as long as he said he would. Was willing to see his contract out.

Commitment is Michael Owen, or will be what we see in Steven Gerrard.

[sleaterkinney]

Commitment is Michael OwenA bitter as a kid, says it all really.

[ch750536]

BUMP!!!

Couldn't see the point in re-posting this in another thread.

mmmmAlwaysMoanAboutAboutArmchairFansSkyscraper will probably moan about armchair fans I s'pose.

[flimsier]

Beattie is a twat, but I love the RedShites making the most of their easy run-in (Birmingham had lost 5 of last 6) :D

[mmmSkyscraper]

BUMP!!!

Couldn't see the point in re-posting this in another thread.



Do you ever have anything interesting to say?

You bumped this thread and added exactly zero content to it. Nice one.

[ch750536]

Do you ever have anything interesting to say?

You bumped this thread and added exactly zero content to it. Nice one.

So did you. <Damn ticket buying, going to everygame seasonticket holding blood giving fans>

Had nothing to say tbh, so I felt silence was a good policy.

[DRINK?]

I really am not a fan of getting rid of managers without letting them have a decent stab..think Benitez has been unfortunate given the squad and injuries he has. However think the telling factor is that Gerrard and probably Alonso are the only two players that would be wanted by Arsenal, Utd or Chelsea....the gap is widening between the pool and these three, when Gerrard goes unless they invest wisely are going to be scrapping around midtable for the next few years rather than challenging.

[Relahni]

Beattie is a twat, but I love the RedShites making the most of their easy run-in (Birmingham had lost 5 of last 6) :D

Everton continue their quest to catch Arsenal in third spot with an impressive 8 points from their last 8 games.

[flimsier]

Everton continue their quest to catch Arsenal in third spot with an impressive 8 points from their last 8 games.

You pick on the worst run of our season - and it's still better than you predicted.

Of course, you were going to finish above ManU this season, weren't you?

[Relahni]

You pick on the worst run of our season - and it's still better than you predicted.

Of course, you were going to finish above ManU this season, weren't you?

I worked out that if the Blue shite continue their true form and we continue to do our schizophrenic act, we'll catch you up in around 10 games.

It's going to be close.

We've been unlucky with injuries this season, but are still in the running for fourth spot.

We were shite against the Blues - It's not good.

Biscan wouldn't get into any other Premiership team - what is he doing in our team!? We are missing Alonso too much! If there was one player I didn't want us to lose - it was Xabi Alonso.

With your constant carping about my pre season enthusiastic predictions (I thought all fans did this?) Why don't you let us all know who you think will get that fourth spot?

;)

[chegrimandi]

what do you lot put your crazy inconsistent form down to? Must be doing your 'eads in.

[Relahni]

what do you lot put your crazy inconsistent form down to? Must be doing your 'eads in.

Time! We need more time! ;)

[flimsier]

Biscan wouldn't get into any other Premiership team - what is he doing in our team!? We are missing Alonso too much! If there was one player I didn't want us to lose - it was Xabi Alonso.

With your constant carping about my pre season enthusiastic predictions (I thought all fans did this?) Why don't you let us all know who you think will get that fourth spot?

;)
:D but Benitez was building a team for this season, and it wouldn't be based on or dependant on any player(s). LOL!

Oh, and pre-season predictions we were talking about... well I said we'd finish in the top 13, which you found hilarious. :)

So, as you ask: I've already said, Liverpool are obviously going to finish 4th. I mean, they're clearly world class aren't they? I'm surprised they aren't winning the league.

[Relahni]

:D but Benitez was building a team for this season, and it wouldn't be based on or dependant on any player(s). LOL!

Oh, and pre-season predictions we were talking about... well I said we'd finish in the top 13, which you found hilarious. :)

So, as you ask: I've already said, Liverpool are obviously going to finish 4th. I mean, they're clearly world class aren't they? I'm surprised they aren't winning the league.

So are you saying that Liverpool will finish in fourth spot?

For the record - I know you like to quote my predictions for some reason - I think it's very tight for fourth spot. If Everton continue their relegation fodder form - they'll have no chance of getting it. Bolton are looking good, Middlesborough have some decent players there. Charlton will be sniffing around. Liverpool have a chance.

Who said Liverpool are world class btw? :confused:

[flimsier]

Who said Liverpool are world class btw? :confused:

Errm, I think you have one very short memory.

[sleaterkinney]

what do you lot put your crazy inconsistent form down to? Must be doing your 'eads in.Shite players long past their sell by date.

[flimsier]

Shite players long past their sell by date.
At last a redshit admits the truth. :)

[Relahni]

Errm, I think you have one very short memory.

oh go and fuck yourself - I've never ever said Liverpool were World class!! :rolleyes: :confused:

They have three world class players imo. I think that's three more than any of the shite teams you and support!

;)

[flimsier]

oh go and fuck yourself - I've never ever said Liverpool were World class!! :rolleyes: :confused:

They have three world class players imo. I think that's three more than any of the shite teams you and support!

;)
A very short memory.

So you thought with 3 'world class' players - and you used to claim Hyppia, Baros, Gerrard, Kewell btw - so which have you dropped?

Hence you were going to finish above Man Utd.

I can't blame you for being angry. I would be if I was a Liverpool fan.

[ch750536]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4269789.stm

good to see someone agreeing with me...

[mmmSkyscraper]

You must have posted the wrong link, because nowhere in there does it say Benitez has to go, Liverpool are in freefall.

[marshall]

Do you not think the continual speculation about G’s future could be a problem?

I mean this whole ‘is he going?’, ‘is he staying?’, ‘look, Mourinho’s shaking his hand’, ‘Gerrard’s very despondent today’…it can’t be good. I wonder how his colleagues feel, always hearing how they’re being ‘carried’ by a ‘one man team’.

[mmmSkyscraper]

I think you're spot on Marshall. You'd think he'd single handedly won every game for us this year, yet I feel we've missed Alonso more than Gerrard.

No way do I want him to leave, but if he was staying then I think he'd come right out and say it. But if he leaves, then 40m in the arse pocket will do nicely - we can get three great players for that amount.

[marshall]

tbh, I'd go for the dosh.

Look at Vieria, all that stuff linking him to Real has done nothing for his form this season.

[ch750536]

You must have posted the wrong link, because nowhere in there does it say Benitez has to go, Liverpool are in freefall.

Thread titled 'LFC are a bunch of lazy bastards.'

Still, Benitez can stay now that he agrees with me...
:p

[anfield]

This season hasn't been a complete wash-out. We've clung on in the top 5 despite the endless string of injuries and bad luck we've been plagued with. We've had some good performances against the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea (despite not picking up 3 points thanks to Mike Riley), Olympiakos, 4-2 at Fulham in October, 5-0 at West Brom in December. A 2-1 win at Charlton, and 3-1 at Fulham were unfortunately followed by a terrible performance and 2-0 defeat at Birmingham on Saturday. Bentiez has got to take the more sparkling performances, bottle whatever it is that helps us win, and force it down the necks of our players before every game. Next season will be crucial - and if we don't improve I'm trading me LFC shirts in for Tranmere ones.

[ch750536]

This season hasn't been a complete wash-out. We've clung on in the top 5 despite the endless string of injuries and bad luck we've been plagued with. We've had some good performances against the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea (despite not picking up 3 points thanks to Mike Riley), Olympiakos, 4-2 at Fulham in October, 5-0 at West Brom in December. A 2-1 win at Charlton, and 3-1 at Fulham were unfortunately followed by a terrible performance and 2-0 defeat at Birmingham on Saturday. Bentiez has got to take the more sparkling performances, bottle whatever it is that helps us win, and force it down the necks of our players before every game. Next season will be crucial - and if we don't improve I'm trading me LFC shirts in for Tranmere ones.

I would just like to see the basics, effort etc.

[Relahni]

I'm happy with the way we've coped - injuries etc - this season.

To come back and beat teams after being behind has been a joy. I'd forgotten what it was like. Under Houllier 0-1 meant we'd lost or we might sneak a draw.

The Olympiakos game was fantastic! And don't forget we beat the Invincibles! 2-1.

If someone had said that we'd still been in the CL at this stage, I wouldn't have believed them.

I'm happy with the way we are going. It's just a case of getting rid of the shite and replacing them with quality players - and hoping that the younger players will make the grade. It is refreshing to have a manager willing to play home grown players.

[ch750536]

It is refreshing to have a manager willing to play home grown players.
Not often enough, too much foreign crap. Dump them all and play the reserves. Take 5 yrs or so but there you go (where were LFC 5 years ago?)

[anfield]

(where were LFC 5 years ago?)

Third in the league :( Second the next year, two and a half wins off the top spot! :(

[CK1977]

I'm happy with the way we are going. It's just a case of getting rid of the shite and replacing them with quality players - and hoping that the younger players will make the grade. It is refreshing to have a manager willing to play home grown players.

Relahni,

I admire your optmism, but face facts Benitez has a job and a half on his hands, not only has he inherited Houllier's rubbish, he's inherited a lot of his own too :D

I loved his quote today on BBC, all the "underachievers are being looked at and are playing for their future", every one apart from Gerrard eh? :D ;)

[ch750536]

BUMP NUFC 1- 0 LFC

Without doubt, the worst performance that I have seen from any liverpool team of any era. The complete lack of effort was bewildering.

I'm not talking about skill, tactics etc, though tactics will get a mention, I am talking about the desire and need to play football. I don't think there was a single player who put in any effort (maybe Carragher if so) and Baros, I have to question why he was even picked. He was a shit.
I have always stood by SG and his rantings, however, I am now of the opinion that for the good of the club he needs to go, along with MB and a number of others. Pellegrino needed to stick out his leg to stop a corner and he just didn't bother. :mad:
Nunez came on as a sub and then just stood around. Garcia fell over at every opportunity. This is really fucking poor. I feel for the Liverpool fans that went to the game and paid good money for that, I personally, would have felt robbed.
Now to tactics. Why the fuck did RB pick baros and then play him on his own up front? After his rantings in the press, and he had no foundation for the rantings based on his performances, he has just put the noose around his own neck. Playing one up front means you have to have a shit hot person up there, Liverpool don't have this so the need more than one.
Benitez record
P29 W14 D4 L11

There was not one save made by Given

Speaks volumes.
Rant over, thread bumped with due cause once again.

[mmmSkyscraper]

It's very easy to criticise. What do you suggest we should do, other than sack Benitez?

And who would you have played up with Baros? Cisse? Morientes? Mellor? Pongolle?

[ch750536]

It's very easy to criticise. What do you suggest we should do, other than sack Benitez?

And who would you have played up with Baros? Cisse? Morientes? Mellor? Pongolle?
Probably right, bit harsh to criticise only one upfront. But the team, it was really dreadful. Don't suppose you managed to catch the game?
Interesting debut from Carson. He was a bit shit to be honest, punched when he should have caught, possibly to blame for the goal though it was a great shot. I would still pick him over doodick tho, at least he has time to learn. I may even go as far as to play him against BL.

[mmmSkyscraper]

Probably right, bit harsh to criticise only one upfront. But the team, it was really dreadful. Don't suppose you managed to catch the game?

Had it on the radio. To be fair, we sounded poor - seemed to have most of the possession but didn't create anything whatsoever. That's been a problem all season - the games we have lost, we have never looked like scoring.

If Everton win tomorrow then 4th spot is almost definitely theirs.

[sleaterkinney]

:( We're so shite away.

[ch750536]

Commentators over here tell it like it is.
78 mins gone - "Baros almost went past someone for the first time in the match"
87 mins gone - "Did anyone wake nunez before putting him on"
Newcastle were poor too, a far way from the classic games of a few years back. They have their problems, Dyer got into great positions time after time and was just ignored & then brought off. The passing from both sides was terrible. NU deserved it because they turned up and generally put in some effort tho.

[sleaterkinney]

:( We're so shite away.
Actually we're fucking shite away.

[Rocket Romano]

Commentators over here tell it like it is.
78 mins gone - "Baros almost went past someone for the first time in the match"
87 mins gone - "Did anyone wake nunez before putting him on"
Newcastle were poor too, a far way from the classic games of a few years back. They have their problems, Dyer got into great positions time after time and was just ignored & then brought off. The passing from both sides was terrible. NU deserved it because they turned up and generally put in some effort tho.

Been to the game. Liverpool were awful. Tactics non existent. Baros spent most of the game falling over and crying to the referee, who being a complete tosser gave everything

Gerrard was Liverpools only remote threat, something like 1 shot on target all game from Liverpool tho (chant of the day re-Gerrard - Chelsea's Number One) and without Gerrard Liverpool seem pretty toothless.

Had a striker being playing alongside Shearer, not bleeding Ameobi, and Kluivert not missed a sitter at the end, it would have been a fair 3-0.

There was a weird spell in the second half where Newcastle passed constantly for about 2 minutes just on the halfway line, Liverpool had no idea how to break the fluid passing up

Carson was crap, probably nerves but had no confidence and made loads of mistakes...Given may have touched the ball, just the once though.

Liverpool are a strange, team, lost more games than Newcastle (obv won more though!) and don't seem to give a toss about their teamates.

Now seen Liverpool and Everton at SJP this season, neither were that great, Everton marginally taking it, only one team has put in a definitive performance at SJP this season, that being Manchester United.

Strange Premiership

[flimsier]

I love the premiership! :D

8 points... what was it mmmskybottlers?

'Catchy Catchy'

Could be 14 points after the derby!

[ch750536]

Strange Premiership
The standard, other than the top two, maybe 3 clubs is very poor this year and I think its mainly down to effort/teamwork.
Lots of in-house arguments going on all over the place.

[flimsier]

Fuck :(

[ch750536]

Fuck :(
How bad were they?

[flimsier]

We were shite. We could've got a result, but deserved fuck all. It was like the Man Utd game all over again, but (obviously) against inferior opposition.

Actually thought Blackburn were shite too.

Battle of the bottlers, this 4th place malarky. I didn't see what Moyes said coz I left the bar with seconds to go (thinking how that has worked twice this season for late goals).

Fuck :( I really feel it because we should be 11 points clear.

The RS will beat Blackburn. Then the derby really will be a fucking big game. We need a result. Draw is fine.

[mmmSkyscraper]

As you were then.

You want to give it us, and we're too shite to take it.

Boro - fancy it?

[flimsier]

You know what, watching that game today, I realise that none of us deserve it.

If we win it by being the least shit, I'll take it.

And I'll try my best to remember my expectations (and yours) from the start of the season.

But I'll be gutted.

We were shit. No excuses. Blackburn were too - and they deserved 0 points, but so did we.

If the redshitheads win the derby, they'll get 4th. I really believe that. Thus, as the derby is at anfield, the whole thing is 50/50 - unless they don't beat the shower of shit that is blackburn.

However, if I was a redshite, I'd hate benitez. Exposed horribly this weekend.

[mmmSkyscraper]

However, if I was a redshite, I'd hate benitez. Exposed horribly this weekend.

Well in that case Mr. Hate, why didn't you hate Moyes when he only got you 37 points last year?

Why do modern day fans hate managers after less than a year in the job?

[flimsier]

Well in that case Mr. Hate, why didn't you hate Moyes when he only got you 37 points last year?

Why do modern day fans hate managers after less than a year in the job?

Because that wasn't Moyes' fault. He didn't have the 'world-class' players Benitez has available to him, and he didn't do things like sub his only striker with a few minutes to go while 1-0 down.

[Relahni]

You know what, watching that game today, I realise that none of us deserve it.

If we win it by being the least shit, I'll take it.

And I'll try my best to remember my expectations (and yours) from the start of the season.

But I'll be gutted.

We were shit. No excuses. Blackburn were too - and they deserved 0 points, but so did we.

If the redshitheads win the derby, they'll get 4th. I really believe that. Thus, as the derby is at anfield, the whole thing is 50/50 - unless they don't beat the shower of shit that is blackburn.

However, if I was a redshite, I'd hate benitez. Exposed horribly this weekend.

agreed about the fourth spot. I think it highlights just how shit the Premiership is.

If Everton are the fourth best side in our country on hard work, closing down and not much else then it's a sad day for football. If Houllier's team were a disgrace to football then God only knows what that makes Everton.

I do respect Moyes for taking a rag, tag and bobtail outfit to fourth spot but I would be gutted if I was an Evertonian having to pay £30 to watch utterly dull football. But with respect Flimsier, you don't go to the matches.....just comically hate their rivals with some venom from the comfort of your armchair.

It's a joke that the fourth spot is such a big deal and highlights how European football has swallowed all other competitions up. The FA cup plays a distant second fiddle. Slur Alex was saying the other month that the Premiership is a bit flat compared to the ahem "champions" league.

Asked for Benitez - I'm 100% behind him. I prefer his style of play - ok at times we haven't played well - but I remember going to watch Houllier's team in his first season alone and think we are a better outfit under Rafa. And the fans opinion - well I remember the justified "Houllier ha ha ha ha ha ha" chants from his first season - It's a lot different to the fans songs about Rafa Benitez in his first season with Liverpool.

And asked for your "should hate Rafa"......that just proves how distorted your knowledge really is. It's also hilarious that your hatred has increased 10 fold since we got a decent manager in. Playing shite dull football - you hardly raised your contempt last season - playing decent attractive football and you've started to throw your toys out of your pram! :D

After five years of defensive utter shite footie - it's nice to see us claw deficits back. As an Evertonian, you can only dream of scoring 3 goals in 45 minutes against Olympiakos to progress in the Champions League....winning 3-1 against one of the top German sides - when everyone thought we would lose!

Getting to the League cup final with a threadbare youth team and being 10 minutes away from winning it against a team that has spent around £200m more than us in the last couple of seasons......

This is all in the first season. Ask the Mancs what Slur Alex was like in his first season - or fifth season if you want.... ;)

I'm happy with Benitez even though you are not! :D

[flimsier]

You think you served up 'attractive football'.

:D

[mmmSkyscraper]

Not on Saturday, no. But maybe against Olympiacos, Newcastle at Anfield, Leverkusen, Monaco, Arsenal...

When have Everton under Moyes EVER played attractive football? Answer: Never have, nevr will. It's not in his game plan.

Not too sure why you're judging Liverpool over one season. Bit small minded that. Maybe you should just look closer to home instead of fuelling your obsession with us.

[Relahni]

You think you served up 'attractive football'.

:D

I'm not saying we are Brazil 1970 - far from it. But at times this season, I think we've played well.

[chegrimandi]

ahhh all the scallys crying about whos shittest: newsflash: you're all scouse fucks - in your face scallies............ :p :p

how enjoyable.

relahni, scrapper or flimsier?

http://www.perpetualcow.com/gfx/crying-.gif

[Relahni]

lol :D

You're not invincible......

Where have all the Gooners gone?

Far far away.....

what a difference a year makes eh?

Brazil 1970 to Scotland 1978! :D

[chegrimandi]

lol :D

You're not invincible......

Where have all the Gooners gone?

Far far away.....

what a difference a year makes eh?

Brazil 1970 to Scotland 1978! :D

sorry mate can't hear what you're saying above all the tantrums

http://www.sandplay-toys.com/store/media/BabiesCrying.jpg

[flimsier]

When have Everton under Moyes EVER played attractive football?

Aston Villa away, last week.

[flimsier]

Skyscraper. I have only been able to find one busy Liverpool forum. They were most pissed off with Benitez on Saturday night, though I can't remember it's address and I doubt I'd be able to get on from work.

Are there any that you post on?

[mmmSkyscraper]

Skyscraper. I have only been able to find one busy Liverpool forum. They were most pissed off with Benitez on Saturday night, though I can't remember it's address and I doubt I'd be able to get on from work.

Are there any that you post on?

PM on the way.

[R.I.C.O.]

Aston Villa away, last week.

I went to the game and Villa made shitloads of defensive errors. It was hardly attractive for me, but Everton just looked more determined. They were better at closing our players down, finishing and playing as a close unit, and that was about it - no one-touch passing, just a team of 11 bruisers.

I think the main reason why Everton have been up there this season is that they have been really lucky with injuries.

[marshall]

There are some gems among the dross, though.

How much did Cahill cost Everton? £3m? £2m? Got to be one of the signings of the season that…

[flimsier]

1.5m

[mmmSkyscraper]

There are some gems among the dross, though.

How much did Cahill cost Everton? £3m? £2m? Got to be one of the signings of the season that…

Agreed - but Bent at £450,000 beats that.

Credit where credit's due - any team that stays in the top four that long deserves it. But let's not dress up their football as anything other than determined chasing down and kick and rush. Their position in the league is progress on last year for sure, but they have sunk to new depths of football. That can't be good long term.

[marshall]

Agreed, Everton aren’t exactly playing fantasy football at the moment, but – and this may sound very stupid – I really don’t think it’s their job to do so at this stage of their development.

If they tried, they’d be tonked every other week and with the subsequent loss of confidence that goes hand-in-hand with inconsistent form, they’d be down there with the likes of Spurs and Newcastle. Maybe lower.

I think Everton have got the basics right first. Add a few more well-selected bargains like Cahill and Bent to the team in the summer and then they can start to ‘play’.

[flimsier]

Arteta will join for £2.85M. He was the difference between Everton v Villa and yesterday.

[flimsier]

Nigel Martyn was also a bargain at £500,000 but wasn't this season.

Getting Osman back from loan?

[Relahni]

Agreed, Everton aren’t exactly playing fantasy football at the moment, but – and this may sound very stupid – I really don’t think it’s their job to do so at this stage of their development.

If they tried, they’d be tonked every other week and with the subsequent loss of confidence that goes hand-in-hand with inconsistent form, they’d be down there with the likes of Spurs and Newcastle. Maybe lower.

I think Everton have got the basics right first. Add a few more well-selected bargains like Cahill and Bent to the team in the summer and then they can start to ‘play’.

This is the old argument though - what do you want as a fan? If it's a choice between style of play and position?

Would you prefer Keegan's Newcastle or George Graham's Arsenal. One won the league, the other didn't.

What would you the paying fan want?

A Chelsea fan I know (he's old Chelsea) says that whilst he likes their current situation - the style of football is not his cup of rosy lee.

In this day and age, I think that result is king - and takes precedent over entertainment - which I think is a bit sad.

[ch750536]

Sorry, bump required after that display.

Looked less lively than Juve did on the away leg. Awful, outplayed by palace all over the pitch.

[jiggajagga]

Any bets on how many times this thread gets bumped this season?