Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Red Storm, Apr 15, 2012.
Would the "old duffers" be Permanent Revolution by any chance?
never mind that if you have not looked at revleft you have not seen anything about people in left wing groups being completely unaware of anything to do with how unimportant they are and how everyone would think they were an idiot. There is page after page on there about people going on about the most irrleevant crap. There was some arguement from this "left communist" about how Trotsky should not have supported the Second World War and the USSR defending itself against Hitler, because fascism was essentially no different to capitalism. Utter shite, I am sure there are reasons to criticise Trotsky for but saying that the USSR should not have fought against Hitler because of some ultra left book full of bollocks is the worst reason I've ever heard.
And the meat vs vegetarain arguement is fucking hilarious some of the people actually think that people who eat meat are class traitors or something.
Brother of Jimmy and Briane, son of Gertie. The kids turning her into a trotskysist rather than the other way round.
Not allowed to read Socialist Worker online?
Here's Duncan Hallas, from a working class background, on the internet. Working class members of the SWP not allowed to read, or listen to Hallas?
You'd love a wanker like that to end up in the camps in place of some poor bastard that didn't deserve to.
You need to get out a bit more.
it's been dealt with. read the whole thread.
Best thread I ever saw on there was "are migrant workers all the same as scabs" or something like that. I don't think it was a troll thread but if it was it was genius.
Yeah I asked one of them whether if there was no choice, they would rather kill and eat a human or a chicken and they couldn't answer the question! they eventually said "the chicken because it would be easier to cook"
some time ago i was in derry and got talking to one of the american swp i knew to say hello to from london, and it turned out he'd been sent off to somewhere in scotland to work in the meatpacking industry
There are a quite a number of Individual SWP members and branches who have a presence on facebook.
You lot are making RevLeft seem like more fun than it actually is.
i would kill them both. a chicken isn't going to last long, especially between two people.
human's pretty easy too in all honesty
I could literlaly not believe the human vs chicken thing. I could not believe that somebody could not answer the question of whether they would kill and eat a human or a chicken!
Do you post on there then? I have a feeling I know who you are on there if you do!
That's true, although it's quite a recent departure.
Facebook became a bit problematic here for a while because due to the ULA a bunch of SWP and SP members were becoming facebook friends and then squabbling about stupid stuff. It's one thing to do that here, where nobody who isn't already interested in far left stuff is reading. It's quite another thing to do it in front of everyone's friends and family.
My eyes are glazing over.
Nope. It makes me feel old.
I cant stand political arguements on my facebook wall I just delete them, the stalinist that i am
Why hasn't P&P been closed for the day to mark this tragedy for the working class?
There's not much debate I've found.
oh ok, i was convinced that you did and that i had worked out who you were on there.
Maybe, but members of far left sects need to get out even more I suspect. Look at the ridiculous knowledge that far left members on here have of every split ever gone on, I don't know whether it's funny or tragic.
They will carry on going round and round in dwindling circles, but in the process do real damage to things like the anti-cuts movement and trying to get a decent grass roots organisations in the unions. The fact that they represent socialist ideas, makes socialism a joke unfortunatley.
My impression is that English socialists are quite unlikely to be facebook friends with many people in other left groups. It's different over here, partly because of the ULA and partly because the left is generally a bit less focused on the unending sectarian war of all against all. A side-effect of that is that there's much more opportunity for people to act the maggot.
That's no more or less absurd than any other slightly unusual hobby. It could be stamp collecting or building model railroads.
In my defense, I'd be interested in this kind of sectarian party political stuff regardless of whether I was in any kind of organization. I'm just a politics geek, these things interest me, what more can I say?
There are some (a fair few I've seen) who are with other left groups and Labour party members here.
i've got a few swp etc members on my facebook mostly through anti cuts stuff and demos. i used to make jokes about the swp on there but i don't usually now because i feel bad about upsetting somebody who may be reading. i also don't really think there's much point, like you say nigel a lot of that stuff just tends to put people off. (and your friends and family may look at it and think you're a twat)
I think it depends where you live - it's not too bad here, we're cooperating quite well on a few initiatives and I've got a few SWP on my facebook. I only tend to use it as a communication tool though, don't often get into discussions on there, so I've not had the kind of problems you describe.
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