Discussion in 'music, bands, clubs & festies' started by cyberfairy, Sep 10, 2005.
But which gets a message across better ?
signing to EMI - better distribution , promotion - message gets heard by more people
music for car advert - money to spend on anti-gm message - message is heard by larger audience than it would of previously !
Now I'm only second guessing the motivation behind the chumbas actions but surely sometimes the end can justify the means !
how did the music benefit ford ?
By spending the money recieved from the advert on anti gm stuff did ford benefit from the use of the tune or did they suffer ?
The advert sells the car. Music is an integral part of the advert.
Vision and sound combine to provide to make an advert as attractive as possible.
Why be so rude to me?
why? you can't see an advert because of it's soundtrack? you might possibly pay more attention to it i guess if its a killler song but thats a big step away from spending 15 grand on a crappy car...a beethoven track would be more likely to appeal to the sort of people with that much disposable income so thus chunmbawamba stopped people buying cars! (possibly )
I wasn't being rude to you . I was just saying only a fuckwit would see an advert with music they like and go out and buy car . Obviously the music forms part of an advert but there are probably other tunes that would fit just as well so refusing wouldn't change the adverts impact because someone else would be willing to do the work !
Is this thread great or are Chumbawumba great?
If I start a thread about a band, will the editor invite them to offline?
As the owner and sole profiteer from a local opencast mine that borders on an area designated as an ssi and employs only illegal imigrants and pays them a subhumanly low wage and expose them to significant health risks, is it wrong for me to allow my coal to burned to power the development of Chumbawumba's musical profile. Or would I be better allowing my coal to power only right wing artists.
this thread is great, the creator of the thread is great and chumbawamba are even greater (believe it or not ) use yr coal to plough the mighty furrow of the chumbawamba
1. you keep raising the flag for personal = political, and judging the 'choices' of others
2. i raise the issue of your personal complicity in, say, the rape of the earth
3. you decline to answer the charge, preferring to bang on about someone else's 'choices'
sure, you don't agree with what chumbawamba have done. but you're attacking them for being imperfect... and yet you seem unwilling to accept your own imperfections.
"but they're famous and i'm not!"
but the personal is still the political, and your 'choices' do damage just as the choices of the rich man do; capitalism is the problem, not one pop band whose song was bought to embellish car porn by a big company.
that's not to say you have to agree with their decision to allow the song to be used; but is your entire view shaped by one action across a period of, what, 26 years?
good shout sir! I doff my cap...
Always appreciate a good 'boff' ing. *thats my coat there, the Gap one...*
*admires cyberfairy's gap*
Chumbawamba were well used to controversy by the time they finished their 9th album 'Tubthumper' in 1997, and the band were also used to surviving the vagaries of the music industry, so when their label One Little Indian refused to put the album out on the grounds "that it wouldn't sell", Chumbawamba set out to find another label for the finished album.
at that time a blokie I used to know was in charge of a&r at One Little Indian. He used to work with a guy called Clive, known across the biz as 'clive underhand smith'. Clive was not a nice guy. he managed RDF in the old days, when they dumped him he systematically destroyed RDF. A los of anti-crusty/punk stuff that came out the biz around then came from there, IMHO. And at the time NME and MM decided to try to popularise a load of crap pop indie bands.
EMI released the album in Europe and Asia and Universal put it out in the US. The album went on to sell 5m copies worldwide.
[emi also signed blaggers - at that time the label had a switched on a&r looking for UK talent[/i]
Accusations of 'sell out' faded away as the band continued to function as a collective, and to use their new found access to the media to push campaigns and their financial success to fund the emerging anti globalization movement. "When we signed to EMI there was a mass chorus of 'hypocrites!" said Bruce "Led mostly by people who weren't part of the movement and defined politics as some vague thing that we vote for and governments do. The name calling didn't really affect us, we knew that time would tell and the people we worked with in the movement knew us well enough to give us the benefit of doubt."
Chumbawamba's next album WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) captured the zeitgeist and was a barbed swipe at the business and celebrity culture which puts the drive for profit before human life, replacing news and real information with yet another picture of any and every wasted female celebrity badly in need of three square meals a day. It was all a bit too much for EMI who'd hoped for a Bob The Builder novelty record. Chumbawamba and EMI parted company. "We knew we hadn't made a 'commercial' record," said Bruce "But we had made a record which was fired and passionate and would stand the test of time."
hit the road jack And don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more...' Hold on, that would be a fab song to advertise a car! i can see it now...a nice shiney car bulleting through Shepton Mallet like a mighty steed it swooshes past the Blackthorn factory...And i know a band who would be perfect at singing it *hello, Alice....*
and it has. It's superb. And you can buy it in HMV, listen to the excellent political/ethical lyrics and maybe, just maybe, try and change your lifestyle just a little bit.
As a side business I run a highly profitable paper bleaching company, that is staffed by only highly endangered and rare badgers. The badgers are paid quite well but being badgers never cash their cheques as badgers don't understand money and bank accounts, only burrowing, worms and other stuff they do understand. The paper bleaching process eventually renders the badgers blind and sometimes without the use of their front paws. Occaisionally accidents happen and the river next to the factory is 'dead' due to the misfortunate effects of pollution.
Should I be concerned that a member of chumbawumba or indeed any 'free thinking anarchist sorts' could use my paper to write a potentially devastating critique of the free market society on?
Whose thinking about me in all of this?
please don't mention badgers i recently had a very bad dead badger experience it wasn't chumbawambas fault though. well at least i don't think so *looks around suspiciously for members of chumbawamba with dead badgers* I'm not joking either
Erm..., in my factory we have recently sacked all the staff and employed only weavils and former minorly succesful profesional golfers who've falled on hard times.
thankyou! now stop derailing my badger thread!
Where do you get that I am unwilling to accept my own imperfections?
I dont get it. Do you really want a list of the measures I take to ensure my environmental footprint is one I can live with? I will if you want, but this thread isn't about me.
I totally accept that we are all horribly compromised, but believe that now is the time we all start to re-asses and take responsibility for, our own impact on the environment.
and thats what chumbawamba do when donating money made from their music to environmental causes
this isn't derailing - it's helping!
we have a dead badgers head in a plastic bag hanging from the outside of our green house* - is that anything to do with you or the Chumbas?
*I'm not joking either ....
no it's not. Just got into arguing and yr last post has stopped everything. Plese start a new thread as I'm bored again.
not really - i've already pointed out your extensive involvement in environmental degradation and socially destructive practices.
the point i was making was that the people in chumbawamba are not perfect - not any more than you (or i) are - but that their imperfections do not preclude them from their political pespective, nor negate their positive achievements... in much the same way that your own buying into the spectacle does not mean you don't care about the trees.
no one is an island beyond capitalism, not here and now. we can resist, and engage in activity at odds with capitalism, and we can relate to each other outside the prescriptions of capitalist social relations; but whilst capitalism stands, we have to acknowledge its prevalence.
and surely anarchism is not a solid state, a moment captured, but a process, a journey?
that reminds me, i should collect my badger skull and fox skeleton next time i visit the rents
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