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New routemaster

Discussion in 'transport' started by ska invita, May 17, 2010.

  1. TitanSound

    TitanSound Mr Beardy Drummer

    I like the way the windows follow the stairwell on the new design.
  2. paolo

    paolo Member You're a Womble

    And even then, there were anecdotal reports of routeys beating bendys on the same (congested) route. The routemasters were discharging and loading passengers all along the way, meaning at bus stops the changeover was minimal... but the bendys had to stop, open doors, do the *whole* swapover, close doors...

    and generally...

    I love that new design. And they've said the platform will be open - at least during busy times - so what's the issue? Are people saying they are lying about that? It's the crux of the design. I can't see them "overlooking" any regulatory stuff. :confused:
  3. laptop

    laptop Freudenschade

    The correct term for this in the jargon of regulation is "grandfathering".

    It's also why we can still use Tube stations with curvy platforms and no lifts - thought it'd be illegal to build new ones like that.
  4. paolo

    paolo Member You're a Womble

    OK

    But does it apply in this case?
  5. Citizen66

    Citizen66 splash the cistern

    Jobs created though.
  6. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx purves grundy - definitely a bloke

    Can't be arsed to read this thread, have just whizzed through.

    From what I read in The Standard tonight:

    Initial costs including the research, design, development, prototypes etc. and the first 5 buses = £7-£8 million

    Thereafter (I assume with bulk orders), each bus will be around £190,000

    Open back platform will apparently be manned by a conductor during rush hour

    Buses 40% greener than current double deckers

    Boris Johnson expects the rest of the world to be peeing their pants with jealousy at our new buses

    That's all I remember. Apologies if any of it's wrong
  7. teuchter

    teuchter *worse than Sean Connery in every regard*

    Apparently normal buses are about £190,000, these ones are expected to be £250-300,000.

    I'm not sure what to think about this. There seems to be a suspicious lack of definitive information on stuff like the rear platform. If it isn't going to be hop on/off, then one of the fundamental advantages of the routemaster is lost and it does all seem like an expensive vanity project.

    On the other hand, if we're going to get a genuine rear platform, and something unique to London, then I don't mind if they cost a bit more.

    Will they also be significantly more expensive to maintain?

    I think I'm glad that Heatherwick is involved, at least.
  8. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 Hardcore U Know The Score

    First glimpse of the real thing...

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  9. The Groke

    The Groke hot hail/Paging Dr. Beat

    It's a bus.
  10. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Unknown Member

    It's a plane.
  11. The Groke

    The Groke hot hail/Paging Dr. Beat

    takes off?
  12. teuchter

    teuchter *worse than Sean Connery in every regard*

    Looks a bit like it's got a closing door on the rear platform there. What's the point of having the platform if there's a door?
  13. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here

    I think the idea is to have it open at some times and closed at others.
  14. mattie

    mattie missing in inaction

    Look at its little face!
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  15. paolo

    paolo Member You're a Womble

  16. The Groke

    The Groke hot hail/Paging Dr. Beat


    That's some radical door re-purposing right there.
  17. Crispy

    Crispy Fond of drink and industry

    So that when there's no conductor on board (ie most of the time), they can close the rear platform.
  18. teuchter

    teuchter *worse than Sean Connery in every regard*

    Open when the normal doors are open anyway and closed when you want to get off at traffic lights and stuff?
  19. teuchter

    teuchter *worse than Sean Connery in every regard*

    Two staircases seems a little extravagant too.
  20. teuchter

    teuchter *worse than Sean Connery in every regard*

    Is there any official word on when there will be conductors?
  21. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 Hardcore U Know The Score

    I really hope that it's not just kept closed most of the time because there's no conductor. It would be a massive disappointment if so.
  22. joustmaster

    joustmaster not a racist

  23. Crispy

    Crispy Fond of drink and industry

    "peak times"
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  24. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse wax weasel

    Will it not have them most of the time for the very centre of town too?
  25. Crispy

    Crispy Fond of drink and industry

    We don't know yet. But given the constraints on TfL's budget, a completely surplus staff cost will not look too attractive will it?

    "Can these buses carry the same number of people per mile per hour without a conductor?"
    "Yes"
    "Sack the conductors then"
  26. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 Hardcore U Know The Score

    They should just give the plastic plods a new job of conducting busses. That way it's more secure, and we get value for money out of them.
  27. teuchter

    teuchter *worse than Sean Connery in every regard*


    Dear Londoners

    Here is your new bus. It sort of looks like a routemaster, but we're not going to actually run it like a routemaster. And it costs significantly more than a normal bus.

    But the photos look pretty don't they?

    Luv

    Boris

    PS sorry about the cross river tram.
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  28. Crispy

    Crispy Fond of drink and industry

    That's about the sum of things :(
  29. Maggot

    Maggot Grubs up!

    That will reduce journey times on busy buses.
  30. Bahnhof Strasse

    Bahnhof Strasse wax weasel

    I think it looks good. Fuck the cost. If we took cost/value in to account the Settle to Carlyle line would be long gone, some things are worth having just for the sake of it, I think these buses are one of those things and will become an icon of London along with black cabs and vomit on the pavements.

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