I like Numbers' idea of having a boxing thread, but I also enjoy MMA, so I'm making a thread for that. Here's Fedor's latest bout, vs boxer Brett Rogers. For people more used to watching boxing, a bit of background on this stuff to make it easier to interpret. First the politics. There's a sort of Don King figure called Dana White who runs the UFC (the 'Ultimate Fighting' of editor's edit to the title), which is the US-based MMA organisation and frankly I think he embarrasses martial artists, and not just those unfortunate enough to be contracted to him, with his tendency to employ professional wrestling style bullshit to excite stupid Americans. Meanwhile Fedor, easily the dominant heavyweight of the past decade, has always fought for various Japanese MMA organisations, mostly Pride, until it was bought out by the UFC last year. So there's a bit of a confused situation with regard to the world title, and a lot of US fans chest-beating about how 'Roid Rhino (I can't recall his real name, but if you see a picture you'll know why he's 'Roid Rhino in my mind), the latest UFC badboy (he has what appears to be a large manly penis tattooed on his chest) would eat Fedor alive. I'm somewhat sceptical, given what's happened to all the other UFC bad-boys who have faced the potato-headed Russian caveman in the past. At any event Fedor won't fight for UFC because he doesn't want any part of the Don King type contracts involved and he always looks faintly embarrassed when asked about whatever stupid UFC bullshit Dana White and his guys are currently spouting. He's getting on a bit and will probably lose his title/number one ranking fairly soon, but he's still absolutely deadly as the above bout demonstrates vividly. A bit about technique. Early MMA tournaments, to great general surprise, were won by grapplers. Specifically Brazilian Ju-Jitsu (BJJ) exponents. BJJ is a Judo variant, but very 'unsporting' old-fashioned Judo, from around 1900 (which is approximately when the guy who taught the Brazilians left Japan, I think it might even have been still called "Kano-Ryu Ju-Jitsu" back then) with a lot of Lancashire wrestling and other stuff mixed in. (Maeda, the guy who taught the Brazilians was a sort of roving ambassador for the Kodokan, taught by one of Kano's four original champion students, the guys who beat (according to poorly documented legends) traditional Ju-Jitsu's finest to put Judo on the map, taking on all-comers in challenge bouts in the UK, Europe and the Americas for about 20 years before settling in Brazil, so his Judo incorporated what he'd learned from two decades of fighting and generally beating shitloads of boxers and wrestlers.) Key thing is in a match fight, unlike a street-fight, there's no reason not to commit fully to grappling. Traditional Ju-Jitsu generally doesn't go for e.g. a full mount (see below for details), but rather might hold the opponent down with a knee to apply a lock, in order to be able to GTFO if his mates show up. In a match fight there's no reason not to fully commit to groundwork if it's allowed, and BJJ is all about match fights with very few rules. The early dominance of the BJJ guys caused the stand up fighters to go off and learn grappling arts and that in turn caused the grapplers to learn standup. The modern MMA fighter really needs to be capable at stand-up (boxing, Muay Thai, kickboxing), clinch fighting (Muay Thai, Greco-Roman and Judo), submission grappling (BJJ, Judo and Lancashire wrestling) and 'ground and pound' (basically sitting on the guy's chest and hitting him really hard in the face repeatedly). Even decent boxers will look terrible if they're doing MMA, because they're worried at all times about having their legs dragged from under them or otherwise getting dumped on the floor and having their arm twisted off. Hence you'll generally see a wide stance that aims to protect against these moves (by allowing for a 'sprawl' and/or 'eat the knee' defence against leg grabs and keeping the body more upright to protect against Judo or Greco-Roman style throws) and a generally wider distance between the fighters than you'd expect in a boxing ring, not only to give more warning of a grab for the legs, but due to the prevalance of Thai-style round kicks (with the shin typically striking the 'dead leg' point). Guards are also generally wider, to buffer high kicks if they seem like a possibility and lower to deal with takedown attempts. Another key difference is the clinch, in MMA as in Muay Thai, the fight continues in the clinch and typically knees, elbows, 'hold and hook' and a variety of throws are employed from there. In some ways the resulting stance is reminiscent of pre-Queensbury Rules boxing, if you look at old pictures of Tom Cribb et. al. No great surprise when you consider that wrestling moves were still allowed in those days. Rogers background mostly seems to be boxing, whereas Fedor is also world Sombo champion (a sort of Stalinist Judo) and was a reserve for the Russian Olympic Judo squad in his day. As you can probably tell from the fight above, Fedor isn't a terribly skilled boxer, although his haymakers are often brutally effective when they connect. What he is though is a tremendously skilled grappler who can hit like a wrecking-ball (his training regime seems to consist mostly of trying to beat old tractor tires to death), which means his best game is armlocks and strangles on the ground and sitting on someone's chest punching them repeatedly in the face. As he has to get people to the ground to do any of this, he generally doesn't mind eating jabs or their kick equivalent to throw haymakers because they put his opponent under pressure and generate chaos in which he can use his Judo/Sombo stuff (plus if any of those bombs actually land, then bye-bye baby) Conceptually, although very clearly not in terms of boxing technique, he's a bit like Hagler in the sense that his approach is almost invariably to apply constant pressure and disrupt his opponent's game, until he's got the opening he wants.