Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

Santino · Jun 21, 2012

Lock&Light said: ↑

That's the same as what I was trying to do.

No you weren't.

Lock&Light · Jun 21, 2012

Santino said: ↑

No you weren't.

But I was.

Santino · Jun 21, 2012

Lock&Light said: ↑

But I was.

If you were, you wouldn't have kept on posting petty shit. That's not how you stop a derail.

To show you how it's done, I will now not respond to you, you shit-eating fuck-faced twat, no matter what petty point-scoring nonsense you attempt.

DexterTCN · Jun 21, 2012

You missed a comma after 'petty'.

Lock&Light · Jun 21, 2012

Santino said: ↑

If you were, you wouldn't have kept on posting petty shit. That's not how you stop a derail.

Your ability to be petty is reflected in your post.

Orang Utan · Jun 21, 2012

You do know that you are essentially saying, 'I know you are, you said you are, but what am I'? Give it up fella

Streathamite · Jun 22, 2012

Teaboy said: ↑

I guess it depends on what the evidence is, it might be about the lengths journo's have gone to to get tittle tattle. Might be interesting.

yeah but a trolley dolly?

editor · Jun 22, 2012

Random said: ↑

It's been deleted by the mods, but still exists in Refused's reply, which quotes it. That was his last post.

Tottenham Hotspur 2011-2012 Official Thread

Please do not drag disruptive spats into unrelated threads. Don't do it again please.

DaveCinzano · Jun 26, 2012

How come this hasn't made the thread yet?

George Osborne and Michael Gove have been refused privileged access to key evidence on the future of press regulation after Lord Justice Leveson rejected their applications for core participant status to the next stage of his inquiry.

The chancellor and education secretary, as well as the business secretary Vince Cable, had their applications for core participant status turned down in a ruling published on the inquiry website on Monday...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/25/leveson-inquiry-osborne-gove

Santino · Jun 26, 2012

DaveCinzano said: ↑

How come this hasn't made the thread yet?

I don't know. Were you busy or something?

gosub · Jun 26, 2012

Module 4-The Inquiry will now be considering ways forward for the future.

Can see why they were turned down, can't understand why they would consider themselves core participants in this area

DaveCinzano · Jun 26, 2012

Santino said: ↑

I don't know. Were you busy or something?

*Checks diary*

Yes, yes I was.

This reflects not at all well on you, grasshopper.

elbows · Jun 26, 2012

Levesons revenge on meddling fuckstain Gove, good. The sooner these twats are prevented from participating in the future of anything in this country the better.

spikey_r · Jun 26, 2012

there are two relevant documents up on the Leveson site.
the first is the questions he's considered relevant for module 4 http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Key-Questions-Module-4.pdf
the other is the draft criteria template for future legislation (for want of a better word) http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp.../Draft-Criteria-for-a-Regulatory-Solution.pdf

get 'em while they're hot

1%er · Jun 26, 2012

I'm just catching up with this and have just read Levesons comments from Monday morning, they can be read here and watched here.

Its regarding Michael Gove's comments and the Mail story from the 17th June, LEVESON’S THREAT TO QUIT’ OVER MEDDLING MINISTER.

Leveson says, "At the heart of this story are two allegations, first, that I sought to prevent Mr
Gove from exercising his right to free speech including by making a threat to
resign and, secondly, that I misused the process of the Inquiry to summon Mr
Gove in order that I could challenge his behaviour."

It goes on to talk about PMQ's and if Grove was speaking for the government.

Having come to this late and being out of the UK news loop, my question is, does this indicate that the government is trying to castrate Leveson?

1%er · Jun 26, 2012

Norman Lamb MP Lib Dem junior business minister undermines Nick Clegg's evidence and says Fred Michel made threats.

Taken from Lamb's contemporaneous notes:
"Fred Michel, News International, an extraordinary encounter. FM is very charming, he tells me News Int papers will land on VC's desk in next two weeks".

"They (News International) are certain there are no grounds for referral but they realised - they realise - the political pressures".

"He wants things to run smoothly. They have been supportive of the coalition but if it goes the wrong way he is worried about the implications. It was brazen. VC refers case to Ofcom - they turn nasty".

Mr Lamb told the inquiry he had not responded to Mr Michel at the second meeting - on 27 October 2010 - but had taken his concerns to Mr Cable and Mr Clegg.

More here

butchersapron · Jun 28, 2012

Potentially very interesting from the Telegraph - potentially not - my bold:

BREAKING: Deputy Chief Constable Craig Denholm of #Surrey Police investigated by IPCC over claims he knew Milly #Dowler's phone was#hacked

DexterTCN · Jun 28, 2012

If I recall we were already aware that someone in the police there knew but nothing happened about it (at the time).

butchersapron · Jun 28, 2012

There has been loads of stuff about Surrey police, what they knew, what they kept quiet, what they were inactive on etc Interesting from a number of angles - why the IPCC has done this now/released news of it now (or if it leaked), and who it concerns amongst those angles.

DexterTCN · Jun 28, 2012

Denholm has been heavily involved in the recent police privatisation stuff.

DaveCinzano · Jun 28, 2012

Brown Moses blog had some interesting stuff about Denholm back in May:

The name of a serving senior Surrey Police officer, Craig Denholm, keeps cropping up in relation to the Milly Dowler phone-hacking. Indeed, Surrey Police themselves are soon to conclude an investigation into the handling of the 2002 Interceptions of Milly's mobile - Operation Baronet. Denholm is at present Deputy Chief Constable of Surrey. In 2002, following Milly Dowler's disappearance, he was one of three officers who met with two News of the World news executives. The two journalists from the NotW volunteered that Milly Dowler's mobile number had been obtained and the content of her voicemails messages accessed.

Craig Denholm is one of several police officers who have spent their careers boomeranging between the Surrey force and the Metropolitan Police Service. He first joined the Met in 1984 and spent time in CID on anti-corruption, drugs and intelligence work, and thence to NCIS (National Criminal Intelligence Services). He transferred to Hampshire Police for a relatively short time, subsequently moving to Surrey Police (for the first of his two Surrey stints) in 2001. He was a senior detective at the time of Milly's disappearance in 2002.

It appears that Denholm took no known action regarding his knowledge of Milly Dowler's mobile hacking by NotW. Was it then within Denholm's power to have taken action to stop the phone hacking scandal in 2002?

The present Assistant Chief Constable of Surrey, Jerry Kirkby, recently gave evidence to the Leveson Inquiry and, in his first witness statement, he stated that he is in the closing stages of heading an investigation into the circumstances surrounding Surrey Police actions (and inactions) re the hacking of Milly's mobile. This is Operation Baronet, and one of its tasks - to date unconcluded - is securing evidence from 2002. On completing Operation Baronet, Surrey Police intend submitting their final report to the Leveson Inquiry, together with additional witness statements. Obviously, the Operation Baronet report may be submitted confidentially, or redacted to avoid prejudicing Operations Weeting or Elevedon.

The long-anticipated 11th Report, 'News International and Phone-Hacking', from the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee was published last week:
"The Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee criticised the (Surrey) police for being told by reporters they had hacked into the Walton teenager's phone - but not investigating for another ten years."

Denholm's career flourished with Surrey Police - Head of Crime Management, then Divisional Commander, then attaining the rank of Assistant Chief Constable until leaving Surrey Police in 2008.

He followed a well-worn path, yet again, back to the Met. He took up an appointment as Commander (Counter Terrorism) in Special Operations..... working directly with John Yates. Denholm could not have failed to be aware of John Yates' self-confessed, "crap", one day quasi-review of the facts around Operation Caryatid - the Goodman-Mulcaire phone hacking investigation. Although leaving the Met in June 2009 (returning AGAIN to Surrey Police), Denholm must have been aware of the Guardian story breaking and becoming headline news in early July on radio and TV news programmes.

Clearly, this raises questions, as well as eyebrows.

Why/Did Denholm stay silent about his knowledge of NotW phone-hacking in 2002?

Did Denholm maintain that silence in 2009, or did he tell John Yates when the Guardian broke its phone scandal story in that July?

If he DID tell John Yates, did Yates ignore this then-new evidence? Or did Denholm and Yates conceivably collude in suppressing their shared knowledge of NotW Milly Dowler mobile hacking?

It is now alleged too that the key meeting between Denholm and the NotW senior journalists was minuted - let's hope those minutes are amongst the 2002 evidence being secured by Operation Baronet.

On Monday May 4th, the Leveson Inquiry held an unscheduled hearing to address an application to make selected senior Government ministers
Core Participants. Lord Justice Leveson's Ruling, accepting the application, was published on the Inquiry web site.

The same day, another written Ruling also quietly appeared on the Inquiry web site - unremarked amongst the furore about Government Core Participants. This additional May 4th Ruling addressed an application by the Metropolitan Police. In essence, it sought to prevent or restrict Leveson's ability to criticise any individual current or former Metropolitan Police officer by name. Neither should Leveson, the Met asserted, even use any examples of behaviour which might allow identification of any un-named officer. The Ruling is worth a read. Lord Leveson argues, elegantly and eloquently, that he retains the right to cite names or other relevant evidence. Otherwise, hog-tied, he could be accused of providing unsubstantiated and subjective findings in reporting on the "Culture, Practice and Ethics of the Press". The example Leveson uses in his Ruling is John Yates.

The Met have 14 days from this May 4th Leveson Ruling to appeal via a Judicial Review. It will be interesting to watch out for a possible appeal.... and to look forward to hearing more of Craig Denholm and Operation Baronet.

DexterTCN · Jun 28, 2012

Close to Yates then....excellent.

Badgers · Jul 4, 2012

PI Glenn Mulcaire loses fight at London court to keep identity secret of person who told him to intercept messages.

Three people including a prison officer are arrested as part of investigation.

butchersapron · Jul 6, 2012

butchersapron said: ↑

Potentially very interesting from the Telegraph - potentially not - my bold:

BREAKING: Deputy Chief Constable Craig Denholm of #Surrey Police investigated by IPCC over claims he knew Milly #Dowler's phone was#hacked

Just in passing:

Sussex police chief accused of misconduct

The Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating an allegation of misconduct against a police force's chief constable.
Sussex Police Authority (SPA) voluntarily referred the allegation against the Sussex chief constable, Martin Richards, to the IPCC last month.
Sussex police had not released details of the incident but it is believed Richards is being investigated over allegations he used "undue influence" on a force operation, according to the Brighton Argus newspaper.

The complaint about him was made by a member of staff using the force's anonymous internal reporting system, the paper said.

ddraig · Jul 13, 2012

55 yr old man arrested in Cardiff today - operation Tuleta
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18827470
would love to know who that is

He was arrested on suspicion of committing offences under the Computer Misuse Act 1990 and Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act.
He is in custody at a police station in the Cardiff area.

1%er · Jul 15, 2012

Andrew Neil, former editor of the Sunday Times questioned the truthfulness of evidence given to the inquiry by his ex-boss News Corp owner Murdoch, article about it here.

Neil's evidence to Leveson here, it was taken as read, so may have passed under some peoples radar.

It seems to undermine Murdoch's evidence that he never got anything from politicians

Santino · Jul 18, 2012

Could be big, this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jul/18/phone-hacking-email-news-international

The existence of an email of "enormous significance" written by a News International executive that refers to the phone hacking of a "well-known individual" has emerged in the high court, in a hearing to discuss the progress of civil claims against the publisher of the News of the World.

Mr Justice Vos, presiding, said that the email was "sent by an executive whose identity you know" – but the name of the author, the precise content of the message, and who it was discussing remain confidential for legal reasons.

DexterTCN · Jul 18, 2012

Held it back since March and the lawyers representing newscorp have apologised? Must be good. Maybe they have to wait until the 'well known individual' is informed?

Brixton Hatter · Jul 21, 2012

Rupert Murdoch resigns from News International

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...Rupert-Murdoch-steps-down-from-NI-boards.html

Rupert Murdoch has resigned as a director of a string of companies behind The Sun, The Times and The Sunday Times, fuelling expectations that he is preparing to sell the newspaper group.
Companies House filings show that Mr Murdoch stepped down from the boards of the NI Group, Times Newspaper Holdings and News Corp Investments in the UK last week. He also quit a number of News Corp’s US boards, the details of which have yet to be disclosed by the US Securities and Exchange Commission.

newbie · Jul 22, 2012

don't take that as too positive

News Corp plans to split into two firms, separating its newspaper and book publishing interests from its now dominant TV and film enterprises.
Mr Murdoch is expected to chair both businesses but to be chief executive only of the TV and film side.

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