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'Is Brixton property worth investment?' asks business website. Brixton Green offer their plans

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by editor, May 10, 2012.

  1. Ol Nick

    Ol Nick beer in Brixton

    Fine, but Brixton Green have got off their collective arse and done something. Think in terms of alternatives, and the only alternative seems to be Barrett Homes. Brixton Green seems to be an improvement on what has gone before.

    Is there an actual, existing alternative that you or anyone else prefers? If not, you have go with the least worst. Art of the possible and all that.
  2. Mrs Magpie

    Mrs Magpie On a bit of break...

    Ol Nick, seems like same old, same old to me. Our 'betters' coming along and telling us what's best for us, but dressing it up as what we want. Most NGOs seem to operate in this way too, just like local govt has done for time immemorial and all. A long and shameful history.
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  3. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    Brixton Green (or rather those behind it) have very obvious experience in working within the system. This, to a great extent, is what has enabled them to "get off their arse and do something". That it happens to be something that is officially approved-of is obviously neither here nor there. :)

    Your argument reduces to "shit sandwich B tastes slightly better than shit sandwich A. Eat shit sandwich B".
    I'd rather not eat a shit sandwich at all, thanks. :)

    And this isn't so much the "art of the possible" being practiced here, it's "the art of the sanctioned".
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  4. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    Quite.
  5. Ol Nick

    Ol Nick beer in Brixton

    I will fight for the death for your right to hate and/or distrust Brixton Green. But if there's no alternative what does it matter on the ground. I admire them at least for the fact they have got up and tried to do something. If someone else got up and did something better, all the better.
  6. Mrs Magpie

    Mrs Magpie On a bit of break...

    Well, they are talking about demolishing industrial units on the basis that they are unused and derelict, when that is not the case at all, so maybe 'something better' is to stop meddling in the area I live, which they don't live in.
  7. Mrs Magpie

    Mrs Magpie On a bit of break...

    ...and to be honest, I think they are not about making things better for me and mine, but all about trousering very large amounts of dosh. I may be cynical, but I have long exerience of being shafted by organisations who say they have my interests at heart.
  8. Mrs Magpie

    Mrs Magpie On a bit of break...

    ...actually I've remembered a good example of the sort of thing that has made me cynical. Years ago I used to live in a block of flats with terrible damp problems. Thick black mould on walls, kids with bronchitis etc. What was actually needed was central heating (the flats had one gas fire, or coal fire in each flat and no other heating) and windows and roofs that kept the rain out.

    Central govt. gave some sort of grant for major improvements. Very highly paid consultants came in and gave us tenants a whole range of options for what could happen over and above central heating, new windows and roofs. The walkways, which were open to the elements, were in very bad repair and we were given options regarding repairing and upgrading them. Eventually the tenants chose a particular option. When it was actually put in, any sort of relative humidity or rain rendered the walkways lethally slippery to walk on and there were a number of accidents. When we complained we were told it was our fault because it was what the tenants had chosen. :mad:
  9. Mrs Magpie

    Mrs Magpie On a bit of break...

    ...I would also point out that we were initially told the damp and mould was down to 'tenant lifestyle' because we did things like boiling vegetables.
  10. soupdragon

    soupdragon Well-Known Member

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  11. eoin_k

    eoin_k An Sionnach Abu

    You might feel clever paraphrasing Voltaire, but you sound more like Dr Pangloss. "All is for the best in the best of all possible Brixtons".
  12. BlackJamaican

    BlackJamaican Unhomophobic Member

    Hello Mrs Pie...I tend to baffle many people...I responded to a moany man who's always moaning called kalibuzz, who seems to know everything. He said
    "...and what exactly qualifies you to decide that? This is a forum for people to give their opinions, if you disagree make your point, don't just judge the post. Most redevelopments are non-council, and therefore the easiest way of economically evicting residents - in the long run. How many homes in Brixton have been built by the council lately, do you know?"
    So I thought that type of arrogance deserves a reply.

    I am new here (this site), so I don't know how well people takes criticism :) ...feel free to give me a piece of your mind all...I will not cry!!
  13. BlackJamaican

    BlackJamaican Unhomophobic Member

    Hello Mr Editor...I tend to baffle many people...I responded to a moany man who's always moaning called kalibuzz, who seems to know everything. He said
    "...and what exactly qualifies you to decide that? This is a forum for people to give their opinions, if you disagree make your point, don't just judge the post. Most redevelopments are non-council, and therefore the easiest way of economically evicting residents - in the long run. How many homes in Brixton have been built by the council lately, do you know?"







    So I thought that type of arrogance deserves a reply.

    I am new here (this site), so I don't know how well people takes criticism :) ...feel free to give me a piece of your mind...I will not cry!!
  14. Gramsci

    Gramsci Still here just

    There has been a long process of consultation about Brixton which many people have "got off there arses" to contribute to. This led to the Brixton Masterplan. Now there is further consultation on the Supplementary Planning Documents which are linked to the plan. Hopefully to further its agreed aims.

    The alternative is to directly engage with the Council. As some Brixton residents have and are doing in various ways with the limited time they have. Without making a big song and dance about it.
  15. kalibuzz

    kalibuzz downtown

  16. Gramsci

    Gramsci Still here just

  17. BlackJamaican

    BlackJamaican Unhomophobic Member

    Yes it all sound good and yes we should be happy this is exactly what we want. The chance to have a property in trendy Brixton. But we all want to have a place of our own to call ours for many years and then maybe pass onto our children, this can be possible with this scheme for - "will remain in
    council ownership" is part of the plan. So yeah we will have a place to call home but only for a while. I suppose this is good by today's standards but in yesteryear when you got a council place it was for life to do with what you want....maybe even by it!!

    Now the council will have to find someone to build it and that's where the price will start to rocket for it's always the way when the contract is given the builders will then rub there hands together and then have a conference on 'who' should give the lowest bid (to get the build) and then when the next big build comes about the next firm will bid the lowest....it's an old fiddle!

    I am not against the council it's just that I am aware of corruption in the council lettings system which tell me that there will be some individuals who will profit out of this arrangement and it's this which makes me mad.

    Islington Council is a much more fair council than Brixton's!!

    I am glad that you have an interest in these matters...not many people do!!
  18. snowy_again

    snowy_again Slush

    Brad Carroll (Brixton Green Director) is speaking at this event this week on

    Case Study: Funding New Models of Public Service Delivery in the Big Society via Community Shares

    Case Study: Funding New Models of Public Service Delivery in the Big Society via Community Shares
    • Identifying tools and methods to successfully secure funding
    • The various funding pots available: How to effectively apply for, and access these
    • Community investment: Highly effective way of engaging communities in the Big Society
    • The benefits of community investment
    • Lessons learnt from Brixton Green
    Brad Carroll, Director, Brixton Green (CONFIRMED) http://www.insidegovernment.co.uk/economic_dev/big-society-funding/index.php#agenda Only £285 per delegate!
    And judging by his attendance at the Community Land Trust conference here: http://www.brixtongreen.org/brixton-green-join-panel-discussion-at-clt-national-conference-2011/ seems to have some social housing on his agenda. His presentation can be found here, which seems to perpetuate some of the Somerleyton Road myths:
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  19. editor

    editor Like an ultra left hatboy on heat

    They've only sold 400 £1 shares in all this time? And a load of them seem to have gone to children too.
  20. snowy_again

    snowy_again Slush

    I'd be surprised if children were legally allowed to be share holders / have voting rights; as the mutual-ness would imply some sort of limited liability that only someone over 18 could sign up to. Could be wrong though.
  21. OpalFruit

    OpalFruit Well-Known Member

    I have spent hours off my arse contributing to the last Masterplan - I went to several public meetings, a few specialist focus group type meetings about specific sectors, wrote letters and contributed the website. I lobbied and protested about certain proposals in the last one (knock down the arcades and build a glass 'mall'). I have also begun my contributions to the new phase. The problem is that it is individual groups, organisations or companies which get things done, in my experience. The council can, and will, agree the SPD on paper, byt my guess is that they will then look to outside parties to do the development possible within the SPD. It is a planning framework, not necessarily a 'to do' list for council investment.
  22. Mrs Magpie

    Mrs Magpie On a bit of break...

    I believe that the situation is not at all that BG have knowingly sold shares to minors, it's just that some people see them as 'an investment' because they don't really understand what they are and have bought them for their kids. I have not actually seen hard copy evidence of this it's just what I've heard people say (as in, Mrs So-And-So got one each for her kids as well).
  23. Brixton Hatter

    Brixton Hatter champions, from a wonderful town

    Yeah it's great that Brad is doing this out of the goodness of his heart....and won't make ANY money off the deal at all.

    Greenwash IMHO.
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  24. Monkeygrinder's Organ

    Monkeygrinder's Organ Domination Snert


    The Big Society eh?

    :facepalm:
  25. Mrs Magpie

    Mrs Magpie On a bit of break...

    Big Society who can't even get the names of local places right. Somerleyton Way? Er, no :facepalm:
  26. youngian

    youngian Well-Known Member

  27. editor

    editor Like an ultra left hatboy on heat

    I think I need subtitles for the above.
  28. youngian

    youngian Well-Known Member

    My mistake- Moved to squirrels on crack thread
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  29. Mrs Magpie

    Mrs Magpie On a bit of break...

  30. leanderman

    leanderman Tired

    Some development has occured. But I am unable to understand a word of tonight's press release, viz:

    Lambeth Council has agreed to transform Somerleyton Road in partnership with the local community!!!

    The Somerleyton Road Project will be one of the first of the Future Brixton schemes to be brought forward and delivered in partnership with the local community.
    Cllr Pete Robbins, Cabinet member for Housing & Regeneration, said: “This is a new approach for Lambeth, and we’re excited about working with both Brixton Green and Ovalhouse theatre on these ambitious plans.”
    We want to say a big thank you to all our members and supporters for their work over the past four years to help make this happen.
    Now the hard work starts.
    1) Creating the shared vision

    We want to ensure this vision is built on the best knowledge of our whole community. Starting on Saturday 2nd February (11am to 5pm) Social Life will be running a series of community workshops so we can develop the proposal in more detail. Alongside this there will be on-line resources and activities with local groups and door-to-door discussions. We’ll be in touch soon with further details, venues and how you can get involved. If you would like to contact us before please call 020 7183 5838 or or email us.
    2) Making sure everyone is involved

    Please check the list of organisations to help us make sure we include all groups(formal and informal): List of organisations to engage
    We will have additional activity to ensure those not involved in groups are engaged.

    3) Volunteer

    There’s going to be a lot of work to make this happen. If you have time, skills or you are part of an organisation that can help please contact us.
    What’s happening now?

    The next few weeks will be busy. Alongside the Brixton Green workshops there will be:
    • A core group of local organisations and the Council meeting with architects to help design a proposal.
    • Ovalhouse consulting with visitors, members, tenants and local residents on a potential move to Somerleyton Road.
    Next steps

    Spring 2013 everyone will have the opportunity to review the shared vision and development ideas. Once we have agreed on a scheme we will start looking for a developer partner. Work could start on site in 2014.

    Other news

    Brixton Neighbourhood Forum – 7pm Wednesday 23rd January – The Brix (St Matthews Church) level 4
    As well as the partnership with the community to deliver the Somerleyton Road scheme the Council is also consulting on the SPD planning document for the whole of central Brixton.
    Next Wednesday between 7pm – 9pm the Brixton Neighbourhood Forum will be having a meeting to discuss this wider Brixton planning document.

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