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Higgs Boson has been 'discovered'. Possibly. Announcement on 4th July

Discussion in 'science, nature and environment' started by editor, Jul 2, 2012.

  1. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop......Hammertime

    There the kids were, all lined up neatly in rows with their pencils sharpened, not doing much, then in stumbles Higgs, who knocks a few tables over and shits in the paper bin.
     
  2. krink

    krink I'll do it this afternoon

    now they've probably found the Higgs Boson, where does the search go next? what's the next big thing to find?
     
  3. BoxRoom

    BoxRoom Partial to ale and pie.

    The Mother of God particle?
    :hmm:
     
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  4. Crispy

    Crispy Fond of drink and industry

    1. What are the HB's properties?
    2. Are there more than one type of HB?
    3. What, the living fuck, is Dark Matter? Seriously, figure this one out guys, please.
     
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  5. cesare

    cesare in a cereal box

    Isn't dark matter a theory to explain what happens when other theories don't always work?
     
  6. Crispy

    Crispy Fond of drink and industry

    No, it's quite a detailed theory. It affects the motion and shape of the universe in multiple consistent ways. We know it's there, just not what it's made of.

    Dark Energy is even weirder.
     
  7. fractionMan

    fractionMan Custom Title

  8. cesare

    cesare in a cereal box

    I should have said "detailed" theory and left it at that :D
     
  9. sunnysidedown

    sunnysidedown Well-Known Member

  10. stuff_it

    stuff_it Nerd burglar

  11. dylans

    dylans overlord of all acorns

    It should be called the priest particle, not the god particle

    Because it gives mass :D
     
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  12. 8ball

    8ball Gone quantum

    So, they think they've found something that is quite similar to, but not quite like, the Higgs particle suggested by the Standard Model. So they sort-of think that once some kinks have been worked out they may have an explanation for 2% of the mass of the baryonic matter in the Universe. Assuming something else entirely isn't going on.

    And then there's the Dark Energy and Dark Matter conundrum throwing a massive spanner in the works.

    Could there be a big grant application coming? :hmm:
     
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  13. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen ¡Nadie espera a la babosa española!

    .. and the 4th of July is an interesting day to choose ...
     
  14. Crispy

    Crispy Fond of drink and industry

    They're "5 Sigma" certain or 99.999% certain (count the nines). Remember that these are scientists speaking science and that they'll bend over backwards to avoid declaring universal truth.
     
  15. 8ball

    8ball Gone quantum

    They're 5-sigma that they've found something in the right energy range. Was listening to a physicist on R4 this morning explaining how it's not quite like what they were expecting, though, and they're not sure whether these 'kinks' are something that can be worked out.

    There are also issues like neutrino oscillations that don't fit into the Standard Model at all.

    It's encouraging at least that the media aren't reporting it in terms of 'we've found the God particle - it's all sewn up', I suppose.
     
  16. Awesome! In your face, God!!
     
  17. cesare

    cesare in a cereal box

    It's a pretty significant margin of error when multiplied by infinity /facetious
     
  18. krink

    krink I'll do it this afternoon

  19. beesonthewhatnow

    beesonthewhatnow going deaf for a living

    And, more to the point, when are we getting our fucking hoverboards?
     
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  20. killer b

    killer b Poster of the year 2005, 2006 & 2011

    still a couple of years for them to sort that out.
     
  21. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    How about more research into anti-matter and possible ways to mass produce it and exploit as a source of nearly limitless energy? Or is that just the premise of science fiction films?
     
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  22. 8ball

    8ball Gone quantum

    Fusion is a better bet in the meantime.
     
  23. dylans

    dylans overlord of all acorns

    Some cool images from CERN
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    This is the simulated decay path of a Higgs Boson – so this is what scientists have been looking for. The Higgs Boson decays into four ‘muons’ – a type of heavy electron, which are shown in red.

    [​IMG]
    his another simulated model for Higgs Boson, showing the particle decaying into two jets of hadrons and two electrons, with energy
    deposits shown in blue

    .[​IMG]
    This ‘event’ was recorded on 18 June, and shows the muon tracks in red, and the electron tracks coloured in green.

    [​IMG]
    This ‘event’ recorded earlier this year, shows a collision between two protons, and, according to Cern, ‘shows characteristics expected from the decay of the SM Higgs Boson’.
    [​IMG]
    This view also shows the results of a collision between two protons, with the four red lines showing the high-energy muons shooting out. Cern says this also shows evidence of Higgs Boson.
     
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  24. Yetman

    Yetman Cheesecar Fucksquad #1

    So now what for the LHC? Could get a lot for the scrap metal...
     
  25. 8ball

    8ball Gone quantum

    Next they shut it down for a few months, upgrade it, run again at higher energies to try and get a better look at what's happening.
     
  26. Hocus Eye.

    Hocus Eye. Snap, crop, scrap crap

    Regardless of the pretty pictures they have produced, perhaps from some free downloaded graphics software, I think that the whole thing is a money making scam that makes the banks' one look like a kid putting foreign money in a chocolate bar machine. For a start no self respecting particle would walk around with a name like Higgs Boson. It is made up. Even the name is an anagram of 'bison hoggs'. As for 5 Sigma - no need; 3 Sigma will to get you the emergency services.











    probably
     
  27. TheHoodedClaw

    TheHoodedClaw No Gravitas Allowed

    That might be tricky though. There are 5 people still alive (out of 6) from the 3 teams that independently came up with the theory. The Nobel committee only awards the prize to a maximum of three people. Higgs is a shoe-in as he described the required particle, but who else gets in...More here:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/04/higgs-boson-nobel-prize-headache?newsfeed=true

    Obviously the three person rule is massively outdated, but will they change it for this?
     
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  28. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen ¡Nadie espera a la babosa española!

    So is the cat dead ?
    Is it a particle, a wave or a plane ?
    And is this, even with all the maths, just another layer ?
     
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  29. ATOMIC SUPLEX

    ATOMIC SUPLEX Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3

  30. killer b

    killer b Poster of the year 2005, 2006 & 2011

    why does anyone give a shit?
     
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