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Higgs Boson has been 'discovered'. Possibly. Announcement on 4th July

Discussion in 'science and environment' started by editor, Jul 2, 2012.

  1. editor

    editor Like an ultra left hatboy on heat

    The full announcement is coming on Weds (surely they're not being so crass as to time it with US Independence Day?) but it appears that they have finally found/nearly found the elusive Higgs Boson.
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  2. Greebo

    Greebo the countdown begins here

    It's taken decades to get this far, a couple more days is immaterial. IMHO some clearer proof either way would be interesting.
  3. maldwyn

    maldwyn What?

    Is it funding renewal time already? :D
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  4. Greebo

    Greebo the countdown begins here

    You might very well think that, I couldn't possibly coment.
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  5. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp

    So 08:00 UK time tomorrow then :)
  6. Hocus Eye.

    Hocus Eye. Snap, crop, scrap crap

    I am not sure that I believe in the God particle. I am a bit agnostic about it.
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  7. ATOMIC SUPLEX

    ATOMIC SUPLEX Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3

    Does Bill Murray really have the qualifications to be the deputy physics coordinator at Cern?
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  8. tendril

    tendril Corpsing inappropriately

    It's my birthday on the 4th. Now would I rather have higgs Bosun, or a Big ho, son???
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  9. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    But other than to confirm a widely-held belief, will we be better off or the wiser for it?
  10. OneStrike

    OneStrike Well-Known Member

    Owen Jones has a brother working there, as is Dave Nellists' Daughter. The science is a bit much for me but from my little understanding of Higgs, Quartz, Photons e.t.c I know it is exciting and I wanted to get an early post in the thread.
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  11. dylans

    dylans overlord of all acorns

    It will be the confirmation of a prediction of a theoretical model. One of the most powerful things about scientific theory is that it can make predictions about what should be found in the natural world if the model is correct. When predictions are confirmed by evidence they thus validate theory. If it is found It will mean that one of the last pieces of the jigsaw in particle physics has been found and we will have answered one of the fundamental questions in physics,namely why particles have mass. It will be the deepest level of reality that the human race has ever discovered. As such it will be the crowning achievement of half a century of physics.

    As I understand it, the higgs field is the force that gives different masses to different subatomic particles. The moment the universe began all particles existed in symmetry and were massless and were all zipping around at the speed of light. All particles in the universe were perfectly distributed across the universe. All the forces of nature had the same strength and all matter particles had the same mass (zero) There was no gravity because there was no way for gravity to act on a universe of perfect symmetrical distribution of massless matter.

    Then the higgs field switched on in the first trillionth of a second and broke that symmetry, broke the perfection, like someone at a dinner party picking up a glass and ruining the symmetry of the table arrangement and it was this, this falling into disordered a-symmetry which meant that some particles took on mass and some didn't. Gravity now could do its stuff, pulling on particles of different masses and from that we get structures and ultimately the galaxies, stars, planets and us.

    It was imperfection and disorder that made the universe as we know it possible. There is an irony here, existance owes itself to disorder and imperfection and not the other way around. If the universe had remained symmetrical then nothing would have mass and would be just a perfect, symmetrical soup of massless particles. The breaking of symmetry was a vital stage for existence
  12. Greebo

    Greebo the countdown begins here

    Possibly, yes, eventually.
  13. claphamboy

    claphamboy The wheels on the bus go round and round....

    Oh Christ, does that mean he will end-up being rolled out all over the place to comment on any findings?
  14. Balbi

    Balbi Hey, Dean Yager!

  15. Fez909

    Fez909 Master of the bait

    5-sigma discovery confirmed!
  16. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model let's kill the king

    not... not 5-SIGMA? :eek: :eek:
  17. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model let's kill the king

    in a barrel with spikes on the inside.
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  18. spitfire

    spitfire scouting party

    Thanks dylans, I didn't really understand what the big deal was until you posted that. I've nicked it and posted it elsewhere for my mates to read, hope that's OK.
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  19. dylans

    dylans overlord of all acorns

    Wow. So a confirmed discovery then. It means they are 99.9999 sure.

    Someone is going to get a Nobel prize
  20. Fez909

    Fez909 Master of the bait

    Yep, although they've stopped short of saying it is the Higgs. Just that the new discovery behaves like the Higgs.
  21. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet ammonia snooker balls

    I won't believe it's real until I've seen its long-form birth certificate :mad:
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  22. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet ammonia snooker balls

    (not actually my joke, to be fair)
  23. mwgdrwg

    mwgdrwg Bathing in the golden gloop

    These muppets are using Comic Sans to present their findings. :D
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  24. krink

    krink I'll do it this afternoon

    as an enthusiastic but easily confused follower of this stuff, thanks for that, dylans. made perfect sense!
  25. King Biscuit Time

    King Biscuit Time The highest British attention to the wrong detail.

    That's classic scientist. Oooh - lets make this easier to understand by putting things in Comic Sans!

    Not me though - I put my presentations in Gill Sans to lend my research an air of authority.
  26. Limejuice

    Limejuice Well-Known Member

    That's a perfectly fair attitude.

    Lloyds Bank won't believe I'm real until I turn up with a passport and an electricity bill. What's sauce for the bank is sauce for the boson.
  27. krink

    krink I'll do it this afternoon

    didn't eric gill fuck his dog?

    sorry for this surreal derail.:D
  28. King Biscuit Time

    King Biscuit Time The highest British attention to the wrong detail.

    And his daughter I think.

    Still I don't think you can tell that just by looking at the font.
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  29. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Nadie espera a la inquisicion española.

    Only realised today that my dad may have been in the same class at school with Higgs...
  30. dylans

    dylans overlord of all acorns

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