Discussion in 'Brixton' started by quimcunx, Jul 21, 2012.
Exactly, pubs never return once converted, it's irreversible.
Losing a pub is always a shame, and the GeorgeIV has a special place in the addled memories of many middle-aged Brixtonians, including mine. Its heyday was a long time ago. Successive refurbs have failed to exploit its potential and I haven't had a belter of a night or early morning there this century. It descended into a k-hole, was eclipsed by the Telegraph, and emerged run by arsey management employing security who always seemed determined to stop you having fun. Young people only know its greatness by its reputation as the home of Basement Jaxx. The last time I had the energy to go out dancing much (before I became a trader in the Granville), a stroll along the Water Lane to the George Canning was always a better bet than a walk up the hill.
For me, the George IV was lost a long time ago. But I strongly object to YAFT, so I've signed the petition.
Nearly 500 signatures!
The councillor for Brixton Hill is Steve Reed.
Steve Reed loves Tesco, and so it will be.
Doesn't bode well; he was Tesco's patsy-in-chief, with Sally Prentice, one of my councillors in Ferndale ward, as his sidekick in the stitchup over the ice-rink/car-park.
You've made me feel old now
It would seem the pub's last day is this Sunday
I thought it had already closed, but then saw it open, so that website was a bit confusing
Just saw this thread for the first - fck. Cant they open their tescos in commercial properties not in pubs? Should be a law against it.
According to Mrs Winot who knows a bit about planning:
- Planning permission to convert from a pub to a convenience store was granted in 1998.
- The current planning application is about changes to appearance.
- Sign the e-petition by all means but the only thing that will really make a difference is to write to object (you can do this online).
How does that man remain elected? Not a single person who knows his name has anything nice to say about him. He's a shameless petty bourgeois nu-labour nobcheese.
Here's a template to lodge an objection. Reword is a bit so it's not an identical copy!
does this mean the deadline for objections is this Thursday?
Also worth mentioning it's within the Rush Common and Brixton Hill conservation area per Lambeth's document CA49 http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/NR/rdonly...0D772D2091/0/CA49RushCommonandBrixtonHill.pdf
Knocked this off quite quickly but hope it's helpful to anyone else who is wondering what kind of letter to write.
I am writing to voice my objections to the application for the formation of carparking on the hardstanding area in front of the current George IV pub, and the removal of fencing.
I am a resident in nearby [ ] and have lived here for six and a half years.
The George IV is within the Rush Common and Brixton Hill Conservation area (http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/NR/rdonly...0D772D2091/0/CA49RushCommonandBrixtonHill.pdf). I think the addition of the proposed area of car-parking would intrinsically damage the character of the area, making it appear more built-up than it is presently and therefore would fail to protect the area's character. As noted in the 1997 appraisal of this conservation area, the frontage alongside that part of the hill is of special interest and "exerts a fundamental impact on the character of the 200 year old Rush Common". (http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/NR/rdonly...320FA/0/RushCommonAndBrixtonHillAppraisal.pdf)
The special character of the George IV itself is noted in the appraisal as "the splendid George IV public house - a late Victorian extravaganza with charming ironwork, stone balustrades and a jolly copper-clad turret topped by a flying seagull weathervane". I feel very strongly that if the application is granted and carparking is created outside the property, this will amount to intrusion and damage to the area's - and that specific building's - special character, amounting to crude and insensitive alteration, i.e. the kind of adaptation which that report lamented - for example on pages 25 and 26.
Further, I object on the basis that it will have an obviously detrimental impact on the flow of traffic around the area and particularly on the bus routes. I am a user of buses down Brixton Hill and the area is already subject to heavy traffic at several times of day. The addition of this car park will cause disruption and delay as cars turn into, and move out of, the car park and I have related safety fears.
Finally, I think it is very sad that this property apparently has planning permission to be turned into a convenience store. There are already 2 Sainsbury's locals on that stretch of the hill, a new newsagent just near Poleo Dry Cleaners, and numerous other newsagents such as Nisa which have been there for years. We really don't need any more convenience stores, but we do need our classic, old pubs.
Please refuse this planning application.
How many of you actually sported it when it was a pub by drinking in there a couple of times a month?
Didn't think so! -
It may as well be a tesco then!
1/10 for effort.
Hello and welcome!
Now fuck off you thick twat.
Nah, might as well be something more interesting or useful, if it'll no longer be a pub.
I drank in there more in the past ten years than going to any branch of shitey Tescos.
The food is rubbish; worst of the major chains by far (and I even include Iceland in that).
I was usually too twatted to drink in George IV. I blame myself.
And regardless of the above, for someone to break their posting duck with such an inane, short-sighted load of crap - clearly not considering the wider implications for the area - marks them out as a bit of a tit.
Here's some food for thought: does the area need another tesco's? Do you think local, independent grocers/convenience store owners etc would welcome more competition from a supermarket chain that puts more small businesses out of action than any other? Or did this and other issues never occur to you before you hit 'post'?
Maybe you're just too lazy to walk to acre lane and go to the GIGANTIC tesco's there?
Of course Brixton has a bustling market only 2 mins away, where the majority of the produce is not only cheaper, but of better quality than that of tesco's. But don't let that bother you.
'Might as well be a tesco's then.' FFS
I did occasionally, but considering it was impossible to know what time it ever planned on opening, made it a bit difficult. They fucked it up by inconsistent opening times as far as I'm concerned. Went past at 5.00pm plenty of times and it was still shut
Their black mouldy loos weren't too appealing either
and I think they were also the most expensive pub on Brixton Hill. Nowhere else charges £2.00 for a 1/2 pint of Fosters. Most pubs charge £1.70
How is what I said short sighted? Yea, a building that is practically derelict becoming something that serves the local area and provides jobs for locals also? Yea, how stupid am I? I'm guessing yoru anoter one of these claphamnite wankers who thinks he a real brixton community boy by drinking in the Gran Union every Saturday.!! Serrioulsly
No I dont want to see another Tesco. But i'd rather see a tesco then nothing at all. That part of Brixton hill practically has no shops, and you can't count of the likes of shitty outfits such as NISA local to provide, their just as bad if not worse.
Get out an physically support your local shops/pubs etc, or expect them to be taken over by these corporations. Moaning about it on internet forums won't change shit! We're all to blame
I've lived in Brixton 9 years, and I've never set foot in grand fucking union.
And the new sainsburys local is miles away from the site in question, isn't it? That is, if you're a lazy, good for nothing shit, with no interest in local community.
Now fuck off you trolling cunt.
i got a letter from the government the other day, opened it, read it, it said that chuka is holding a "people's question time on proposed tesco expresse". friday 14th september, 6pm, corpus christi church hall, 11 trent road sw2 5bj.
a rep from tesco will allegedly be there, as will cllr nosegbe. i will probably pop along myself, see what sort of whitewash they come up with.
Nisa is fine, a decent shop and a useful post office
practically derelict?? it was in use until a few weeks ago as quite a smart bar
sorry was this a serious post or a joke / troll?
Can't tell you how relieved I was to find that post office after years of braving Ferndale Road.
Never used the supermarket though.
I also use the NISA shop often. mainly for Post Office related stuff.
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