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George IV/Music Bar at 144 Brixton Hill closing as another Tesco comes to Brixton

Discussion in 'Brixton' started by quimcunx, Jul 21, 2012.

  1. quimcunx

    quimcunx jesus tonsils

    you'd have to ask tesco. I couldn't possibly comment.
     
  2. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx purves grundy - definitely a bloke

    They don't want to speak to commoners.:( They want to speak to rich shareholders
     
  3. lang rabbie

    lang rabbie Je ne regrette les gazebos

    70 signatures already (from @Brixtonite's Twitter followers ???) on this ipetition

     
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  4. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx purves grundy - definitely a bloke

  5. slcr

    slcr Well-Known Member

    Best way to object effectively to planning applications (from experience) is to give people instructions on the kinds of things they might put in a letter of objection, then get them to craft their own - has more sway with the people who make the decisions as they can see people really care enough to think about it and write in.
     
  6. editor

    editor Like an ultra left hatboy on heat

    The only way to really save a pub is to take your custom there or get involved with events that might keep on bringing in the punters.
     
  7. DJWrongspeed

    DJWrongspeed radio eros

    I agree but GIV is a difficult venue for anyone to manage. It's big, awkward and who knows what massive rates it has to pay.

    I've signed the petition, what more can we do ? whose the councillor for that ward?
     
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  8. lang rabbie

    lang rabbie Je ne regrette les gazebos

    Steve Reed (leader of the Council), Florence Nosegbe and Alex Holland are the three councillors for Brixton Hill.

    Lambeth councillor contact list

    IIRC They took the side of the residents of the newly converted block when the Telegraph was challenged over noise nuisance.

    So the great advantage to keeping the George IV as a music venue is that it isn't adjacent to residential neighbours to whom it could possibly be a nuisance. (Until somebody buys up the ATS site, claims it is "under-developed" and proposes a block of apartments there as well, that is.:facepalm: )
     
  9. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp

    It amazes me that it is still running. Lived over the road and so few people went in. I did once and it took me some time to find a very unhelpful member of staff. It is just an ugly building stealing a lot of space from the area.

    Shame really.
     
  10. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx purves grundy - definitely a bloke

    I think I pulled Steve and asked him to look into supermarkets taking over everywhere but don't think there was a lot he could do about it :(

    I think I'm doing a Mrs Magpie :oops:

    It was Steve Bradley here:

    http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...s-of-brixton-road-north.269973/#post-10025500
     
  11. lang rabbie

    lang rabbie Je ne regrette les gazebos

    Rateable valuation is £35,250 (re-assessed in 2010), so I assume that isn't a million miles from what they were paying as actual annual rent to their landlords (plus the actual business rates bill at 45.8 pence in the pound of just over £16 grand). Say sixty thousand a year/five thousand a month before you switch the lights on or employ any staff.
     
  12. Onket

    Onket Gertcha

    Signed and shared.
     
  13. editor

    editor Like an ultra left hatboy on heat

    Much as I want the place to stay a pub, a petition signed by people who probably rarely set foot in the place really isn't going to save this venue.

    It needs people to start using it. It needs locals to support it - and that's assuming that the owners are even interested in keeping the place going.

    Practically, some high profile gigs and community events would help in the short term (I'm happy to help here if I can be of any use), but it's also going to need people getting involved who know how to put on the kind of events that are likely to keep people coming in, month after month.

    Perhaps some progress could be made on that front, new buyers may be get interested, although Tesco's fat wedge may prove irresistible to the current owner.

    This may provide some useful background and advice:

     
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  14. Onket

    Onket Gertcha

    It will raise awareness in the meantime, surely?
     
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  15. editor

    editor Like an ultra left hatboy on heat

    It's a start but I believe it will take more than that to stave off Tescos.

    I think it needs a campaign with real world action - like some of the things listed here http://www.urban75.org/info/save-your-pub.html - and some sort of vision and business plan for why it should stay a pub and why it might become successful again.
     
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  16. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx purves grundy - definitely a bloke

    Isn't it a bit late for that? :hmm:

    http://www.facebook.com/events/265798746853427/
     
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  17. Onket

    Onket Gertcha

    Oh, it's closed.
     
  18. editor

    editor Like an ultra left hatboy on heat

  19. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx purves grundy - definitely a bloke

    Looks like it
     
  20. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx purves grundy - definitely a bloke

    No idea. I've not received anything from Tesco in the post. All I know is as much as was on that letter Quimmy got

    Maybe Lang Rabbie can get on to Lambeth's planning website. I have trouble finding my way around it
     
  21. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx purves grundy - definitely a bloke

  22. boohoo

    boohoo Crazy Tired Lady

    Although the bar has closed, it would be interesting to know if it is signed and sealed as being turned into a Tesco.
     
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  23. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx purves grundy - definitely a bloke

    How does one find out?
     
  24. boohoo

    boohoo Crazy Tired Lady

    Don't know. :(
     
  25. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx purves grundy - definitely a bloke

    Matt Magee seems very confident judging by last para in his letter :hmm:
     
  26. boohoo

    boohoo Crazy Tired Lady

    It starts off sounding like they are thinking about it and finishes sounding like it will happen anyway.
     
  27. Minnie_the_Minx

    Minnie_the_Minx purves grundy - definitely a bloke

    Yeah, and who owns the pub anyway? Were the music bar just leasing it? I can't find that out.

    Both George IV and coincidentally, the Russell Hotel used to be owned by the same company but I don't know whether they sold them off years ago. Maybe it's that company who are selling the property to Tesco?
     
  28. slcr

    slcr Well-Known Member

    Write a letter. The people who decide planning things are humans - they will be more swayed by a letter than an online petition signature.
     
  29. slcr

    slcr Well-Known Member

    Fair enough ed, but I was talking about objections to the Tesco plan, signage etc, not objections to any non-pub related planning.
     
  30. editor

    editor Like an ultra left hatboy on heat

    To be honest, I'm far more concerned about losing a pub forever than Tesco setting up shop there.
     

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