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During the biggest crisis of capitalism of our generation, why is the UK anarcho-left not growing?

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Random, Aug 8, 2012.

  1. Random

    Random Ethnic nalgocrat

    Is it simply that the existing groupings are too weak or wrongminded to get anything off the ground?

    Or maybe in other areas, apart from the formal anarcho-left things are moving?
     
  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Putting the FU into fun

    How's it doing in sweden?
     
  3. Random

    Random Ethnic nalgocrat

    Doesn't seem to be growing here, either, despite the presence of a fairly strong far-left. The Left Party is making proposals to help small businesses and the anarchosyndicalists seem to still be doing their own thing, plus lots of the anarcos mainly want to attack fascists.

    Edit: not that I have much insight into Sweden's anarcholeft.
     
  4. TruXta

    TruXta Tired of this

    The left is dead.
     
  5. Random

    Random Ethnic nalgocrat

    Everywhere, or just the UK and Sweden?
     
  6. TruXta

    TruXta Tired of this

    Everywhere as far as I can see.
     
  7. ska invita

    ska invita yes yes

    Whats the latest from Greece?
     
  8. Edie

    Edie Banned Banned

    cos no one has a fucking clue what your proposing as an alternative. I've never even had it explained on here after 10 years of posting, and your meant to be the fucking experts!
     
  9. TruXta

    TruXta Tired of this

    Who's "you"?
     
  10. Edie

    Edie Banned Banned

    The UK anarcho-left. (Read the thread title :p)
     
  11. TruXta

    TruXta Tired of this

    They're not on here are they?
     
  12. Edie

    Edie Banned Banned

    I can't really be arsed to play these stupid games where people point out there are 50 shades of left, and the particular shade that is in question isn't ACTUALLY here to be explained or defended. I mean ffs that's part of the fucking problem.
     
  13. TruXta

    TruXta Tired of this

    I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm just saying that IME there's a smattering of very vocal lefties/anarchists on here who might or might not be representative of the far left in the UK. Probably not if you ask me.

    The left, as in a popular and powerful political movement, is dead and has been for a generation, at least in the 1st world.
     
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  14. Citizen66

    Citizen66 splash the cistern

    There are some, including fairly prominent ones, yeah.
     
  15. TruXta

    TruXta Tired of this

    Really? In that case the left is even more dead than I thought. Nothing personal, but this is hardly a hubbub of revolutionary activity is it?
     
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  16. Edie

    Edie Banned Banned

    The old left is dead cos people don't work in mass unionised industries and drink down the same pub. There aren't "bosses and workers" any more there's the 1% and the other 99% fragmented in to a million pieces.
     
  17. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    The alternative is for people to make their own decisions about things and run things themselves. The alternative isn't telling them in advance how the world should be run.
     
  18. cesare

    cesare in a cereal box

    Why would you assume that *this* would be anything more than a hobby?
     
  19. TruXta

    TruXta Tired of this

    There's that. And then there's the abject failure of people on the so-called left today to give a shit about engaging with people on their own terms instead of terms like Class War, Revolution, Commodity Fetishism and whatnot.
     
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  20. TruXta

    TruXta Tired of this

    I don't, but then again this is a fairly big national forum with a wide readership. Much bigger than Indymedia and other typically leftie sites. So you'd think serious anarchos/lefties would see this as a somewhat important venue for reaching out to people.
     
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  21. cesare

    cesare in a cereal box

    Most "reaching out to people" is done in the workplace and local communities, not on forums.
     
  22. IC3D

    IC3D Post Mid Arc

    I consider the Occupy movement to be anarcho-left even down to the not achieving anything in the end and having no unified strategies to achieve an undefined goal.
     
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  23. Edie

    Edie Banned Banned

    I read in a book the other day that there has never been a society without leaders in human history, and that even democracy don't work in a crisis.

    Personally I'd like to have a pretty good idea what the fuck the altnerative is before I completely denounce capitalism. We're better off than a country in full on civil war and famine after all.
     
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  24. TruXta

    TruXta Tired of this

    Which as it should be, but don't you think that electronic comms are important in political campaigning/organizing?
     
  25. TruXta

    TruXta Tired of this

    The first statement is a bit off, altho close enough to the truth. The second - depends on what you mean by "democracy", "work" and "crisis" :p
     
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  26. cesare

    cesare in a cereal box

    To an extent. But forums aren't that effective for campaigning/organising.
     
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  27. TruXta

    TruXta Tired of this

    Yeah, I can see that. Can still see a massive role for digital comms in protests and more tactical jobs tho. Longer term face to face is the better option - building trust and dialogue and all that is so much easier when you can see, smell and hear the others.
     
  28. cesare

    cesare in a cereal box

    Oh, I imagine that digital comms are used loads.
     
  29. BigTom

    BigTom Well-Known Member

    Hell yeah - but twitter and facebook + blog/website are far, far better places to do it than here imo - much bigger & wider audience, much easier for a story to become viral.

    e2a: anyone who followed the workfare stuff back in Feb/March. should be left in doubt as to the power of digital comms - but it was facebook and twitter that was most important, along with Mumsnet.
     
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  30. cesare

    cesare in a cereal box

    Absolutely. Here's good for discussion, it's not exactly representative.
     
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