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Do you consider yourself an audiophile?

Discussion in 'music, bands, clubs & festies' started by Doctor Carrot, Apr 5, 2010.

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Are you an audiophile?

  1. Yes

    16 vote(s)
    10.0%
  2. No

    66 vote(s)
    41.3%
  3. Audiophiles are deluded bullshitters

    78 vote(s)
    48.8%
  1. stuff_it

    stuff_it Nerd burglar

    Clue, it wasn't the speaker cables that was the problem.
     
  2. ATOMIC SUPLEX

    ATOMIC SUPLEX Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3

    The cables from your stereo to your speakers will NOT make a difference as long as they are not faulty. They actually can't make a difference that is detected by humans and nobody has even managed to detect any difference with scientific kit.

    Sure you can piss into a bottle of wine just like you can bash the back of your stereo with a hammer.
    Even if you don't care if a bottle of wine is £5 or £30 it is science fact that different types of wine (whatever the cost) are different and this can be easily proven in many ways. Different types of undamaged, shielded speaker cable do not make a difference to the sound coming out of your speakers.
     
  3. blueplume

    blueplume Well-Known Member

    yes, the cables are the last top elements for a perfect sound, when you've already got top louders, ampli...
     
  4. ATOMIC SUPLEX

    ATOMIC SUPLEX Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3

    No, the cables don't make a difference at all. They make NO difference.

    There is zero difference in sound quality between an undamaged insulated speaker cable that costs you 50p and some insulated cable that costs any other number. It may be more durable or insulated to a higher degree but it won't change the sound coming out of your speakers one jot.

    They cables these people sell aren't even balanced, so in theory you can get (also pointlessly in this case) superior 'interconnects' (leads) that still only cost a couple of quid.
     
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  5. blueplume

    blueplume Well-Known Member

    my ears aren't that kind of expert but i'm not sure you're right, i will have a look at some hi fi magazines
     
  6. Belushi

    Belushi 01 811 8055

    You really are better off listening to the numerous sound engineers and musicians on here telling you its a scam.
     
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  7. ATOMIC SUPLEX

    ATOMIC SUPLEX Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3

    Don't.

    I have a degree in music technology, and have set up several audio production suites for broadcast and worked in some top notch recording and mastering studios. Working in audio production, technical support, broadcast audio dubbing, and television production I have only once in 17 years come across the use of these cables and that was when I went to a certain Hi-Fi magazines headquarters in west London. They had a listening room and at the time I went down they were testing some sort of crazy expensive cable. I said "that can't possibly make a difference" and they quite candidly said "no, but we can't say that out right because we wouldn't have a magazine, there would be no sponsors and we would alienate or eliminate our core market" Rather than lying they would get someone freelance (maybe like you or another believer) to right the truly bullshit reviews.
     
  8. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    So what you're saying is that along with an educated palatte for wine, you have educated ears that can perceive nuances the more coarse and plebian types can't? :)
     
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  9. ATOMIC SUPLEX

    ATOMIC SUPLEX Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3

    More so than that, nuances that can't be measured because they don't exist which are high level science wrong.
     
  10. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    Yup. :)
     
  11. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen ¡Nadie espera a la babosa española!

    I think I once managed to make signal cables have an effect.

    I had this chaotic set up where the source was relatively high impedance and the screened cables were small diameter and overly-long and I think I had a bit of treble roll-off - and I strongly suspect some cables must be cynically designed that way.

    My best quality signal chain now consists of a CD player that apparently can deliver 2 volts into 10 ohms, I think my volume control is 5K - it might be 47K, and that feeds a valve amp with a sensitivity of 100mV into 1M ohm. The cables are short, but I no longer struggle to squeeze large diameter coax into phono plugs.
     
  12. Corax

    Corax This will change your life: http://bit.ly/19lPFRa

    You people make me sick. Leave those poor audios alone you perverts. :mad:
     
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  13. 19sixtysix

    19sixtysix μεθαύριο

    I will use facepalms to any audio spudloonery.

    To repeat wire is wire for audio. There is no frequency element thats at is high enough for radio frequency techniques to be considered over they short distances involved in connecting up an over priced hifi. This is the reason every studio I have worked on, fixed or installed is connected up via telephone cables whether single or multicore, screened or not, balanced or unbalanced. Speakers are connected by any cable capable of carrying a decent current. 13A mains is the good value.
     
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  14. blueplume

    blueplume Well-Known Member

    maybe!
     
  15. beesonthewhatnow

    beesonthewhatnow going deaf for a living

    No.

    Just no.
     
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  16. blueplume

    blueplume Well-Known Member

    sound has something magical, every detail is important.and the conditions in a studio may be diferent from the environment of a purist audiophile with his own stuff... But you're probably right
     
  17. blueplume

    blueplume Well-Known Member

    O-Kay!!!!!!
     
  18. stuff_it

    stuff_it Nerd burglar

    Well for one thing a professional studio won't have one of those 'black body' thingies.... :D
     
  19. 19sixtysix

    19sixtysix μεθαύριο

    Unless some rich client making his album demands it then he'll get get it charged at double whatever spud loonery price it is.
     
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  20. Boycey

    Boycey juvenile rave slut

    no. they'll just pretend to have one and over charge anyway.


    your perception of sound is where the magic is and only there is every detail important, more details than your tiny little mind understands.
     
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  21. fractionMan

    fractionMan Custom Title

    :D

    You've discovered the SECRET INGREDIENT, MAGICK!. They cost so much because sorcerers are expensive, don't let anyone tell you otherwise!!!
     
  22. Boycey

    Boycey juvenile rave slut

    i wish i could find the AES youtube lecture on psychoacoustics and how powerful suggestion is wrt to hearing and perception.
     
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  23. paolo

    paolo Well-Known Member

    In the meantime this thread needs another shipment of the gullible. :)
     
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  24. ATOMIC SUPLEX

    ATOMIC SUPLEX Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3

    No no no sound isn't magic, it is science, and yes I am right.
    There is a lot of expensive audio craziness that goes on in studios to get the sound just right, but it is all based on science, actually makes a difference, and is expensive for an actual reason (not just because suckers will pay for it).
     
  25. stuff_it

    stuff_it Nerd burglar

    Someone who could be bothered could post the link to the thread up on audiophile websites....:hmm:
     
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  26. 8115

    8115 doesn't smoke

    So, if cables aren't it, excluding magic, what is good for getting good sound? Or is it something that only sound engineers learn, while slaying a lamb and being sworn to unending secrecy?
     
  27. ATOMIC SUPLEX

    ATOMIC SUPLEX Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3

    Good equipment. Good acoustic environment. It's not rocket science, but it is science. It might not always be cheap but you are at least getting what you pay for.
     
  28. 8115

    8115 doesn't smoke

    Last question I promise. Is it true that when you buy a new stereo you should play varied music through it for twenty (can't remember the exact number) hours to make it better?
     
  29. 8115

    8115 doesn't smoke

    It doesn't sound true, now I write it down :D
     
  30. ATOMIC SUPLEX

    ATOMIC SUPLEX Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3

    I wonder why?
    Don't forget to keep your CDs in the fridge while you are at it.
     
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