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Chatham House report indicates 'significant support' among far-right for 'planned attacks'

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Bernie Gunther, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Aye, there are some I would shed no tears to see popping their cloggs, but never at the hands of murderers, no matter what their perusasion or grievance, in a properly constituted democracy (even an imperfect one) that is. Syria, for instance, is a different matter
  2. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    In this country it is more the threat of economic violence as opposed to physical.
  3. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    Is it? How do the police do their job then?
  4. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Badly, in many cases, but in the main? by consent.
  5. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    Are you stupid?

    Since when does silent agreement constitute appreciation? It doesn't even constitute endorsement, you arse-nugget!
  6. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    "its a fair cop guvnor, I'll come quietly"
  7. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    Violence already plays a part in the democratic political process, you arse! You don't seem to have too many problems with the state putting the boot in!
  8. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    TBF, you could easily leave off the last 7 words above, given how often the act is resorted to by the state.
  9. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Perhaps I am? mebbes not just intelligent enough to appreciate the fine distinction between your use of 'tactic agreement' and myself thinking that if I was in tactic agreement with something then I would probably appreciate the sentiment or action.
  10. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    I have every objection to the state putting the boot in, where putting said boot in is inappropiate that is.
  11. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    Conversely, you might see what was done as painful but necessary. That's hardly a "fine distinction", it's a fucking gaping chasm away from your characterisation.
  12. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    And who gets to actually decide what is and isn't inappropriate.....Yep, that's right...the State!!
  13. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    Who decides what is appropriate?
  14. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    I would never regard Killing someone I disagree with as "painful but necessary"
    Put it this way,even at the height of the miners stike I would never have "tacitly agreed with" endorsed or had sympathy with or appreciation of Maggie being murdered.
  15. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Aye the state, of which we are all part, if we choose to be sheep we shouldnt cry our eyes out when our apathy is taken advantage of.
  16. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    If by consent you mean "because we vote them in, one party or t'other", that's not really consent as Locke meant it, is it?
  17. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    You keep introducing new criteria. Previously it was "appreciation", now it's "killing someone I disagree with".
    To get back "on topic", I'd say that Neave's death was "painful but necessary". His history, and the influence he had over certain of Thatcher's circle, meant that he was highly unlikely to have been pragmatic about negotiation with irish republicans. I'd contend that had he lived, Thatcher would VERY likely have taken a harder line than she did over Northern Ireland.
  18. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    We're not part of the state, and whenever we choose not to be sheep they assault and/or murder us.
  19. likesfish

    likesfish chanelling mike from spaced

    It's a tricky one.
    Given human nature having the means of violence fairly heavily restricted to agents of the state and those agents quite heavily restrained. Regardless of what you might think lethal force employed by the state is not routine it always makes headlines and is investigated.
  20. likesfish

    likesfish chanelling mike from spaced

    Much as certain activists complain the state is not in the habit of killing protestors to claim otherwise is lieing.
  21. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    I don't think anyone did claim that.
  22. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Depends on your interpretation of Locke doesnt it? same applies to your post 168
  23. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    No it doesn't.
  24. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Thats a huge assumption to justify someones murder
  25. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    How about just 'painful' then - that'll do me.
  26. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    Whey, we got the odd hiding during the strike but I cant remember many of us being taken away to the gulags to be 'disposed of'
  27. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    Nope. It really doesn't. Have a think about what you're saying.
  28. coley

    coley Well-Known Member

    In reality, if we choose to live in this country then we have to accept being part of the state.
  29. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

  30. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Untermensch, and proud!

    Ah, so now we've moved on from "killing someone I disagree with" to "justifying someones murder".

    None of which I've said.

    And my assumption (because yes, I did make one) isn't huge, it's entirely consonant with what was known of Neave's opinions and his position at the time. This wasn't a man who believed in doing things by the book, this was a man who believed in stamping on those whom he didn't agree with, whether that was British trade unionists or Irish republicans, and he had enough sway with Thatcher's inner circle to have carried that opinion into her policies.

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