Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by intersol32, Jan 12, 2012.
Anyone recollect what tarrif the short arsed little fucker got?
I always made an extra effort to be nice to the poor gits who worked at Monomarks. It was loon central on some days and I imagine it was a bit of a thankless task having to routinely talk to their clientelle.
Writing to zines and groups with BM addresses as a wee lad gave me a totally misplaced impression of glamour around British Monomarks.
The postcode still gives me the horn, though.
It is boringly bureaucratic, but I did arrange to meet some cool people there too...
The ones you had to watch out for were the old guys in the dirty macs who would whisper their box number when they collected their mail and then shuffle off at pace. Oh and the transgendered person who talked to themself really loudly.
I imagine it's declined in use since the ascendancy of the net. I've still got box 3641 tho.
Do youse recognise any of the fash from this documentary- 100% white?
I recollect seeing that documentary years ago and the people in it just came across as sad/washed up/lonely/desperate.
Jesus, yes. Niel Parrish and Nick Marsh (never heard of the Colin fella before the doc). Parrish and 'Big Nick' were well known faces. Usually hanging around and doing security for the BNP. The photo of themselves and their wee gang (complete with face masks, air rifles and batons) was also used on the cover of an issue of Fighting Talk as I remember? They were also done for the Buntingford attack on a couple of Asian waiters.
Someone may need to correct this. But Parrish and his mate were basically squeezed out of the Blood and Honour merchandising role for fiddling the accounts, and from what I recall were persona non grata afterwards. No doubt this had some influence on them 'seeing the light' and renouncing their Fascist beliefs.
Probably the most disturbing thing is watching Parrish drive around in his VW camper (with pink fur interior) and dancing around at some rave club.
You can gather from the programme that most of them come from pretty messed up backgrounds, which likely had an effect on their political development. Some of it's completely mad and contradictory - like 'Colin' previously having a mixed race child with an Asian girlfriend.
I get the feeling from Parrish and Nick Marsh that they're looking back on their Fascist career and thinking "what the fuck was all that about?".
I haven't seen it since it was first on telly and can't watch it right now, but didn't the raver one say towards the end (just after I had thought fariplay for changing) say that he admired David Copeland for going out there and 'doing somthing for his beliefs'.?
Not sure. But I know at the end it's claimed he's seeing three different therapists in an attempt to overcome his mental issues, and it's obvious at times some of the feelings from his past are just beneath the surface.
Sometimes I'm struck by how Fascist beliefs just don't translate in the real world, and the way in which groups like Blood and Honour etc provide a bubble or an idealistic lifestyle for them to exist and socialize in. A place where everyone thinks like you, and confirms your dysfunctional behaviour.
The problem occurs whenever they have to step outside of it and those thoughts and ideas are suddenly challenged. A mate of mine mentioned the other day, when we were talking about the Nazi scene with all of its fucking lunacy, holocaust denial, bullshit bands etc. He just said "how the fuck do you live every day with that in your head? You probably can't go to the corner shop or drink in the local without experiencing something that contradicts it".
it must be very hard to change if you've been in that mindset and that life for so long.
Not seen the documentary either, but it looks like the same blokes who feature in Leo Regan's "Public Enemies" book of photos of nazi skins.
sounds like anarchism or trotskyism
it's never hard to live with the true ideas of marxism
It is in fact that's where the doco makers found them
I think it applies to a lot of what we'd call lifestyle politics. In that it perhaps says more about the psychology of the individuals involved, rather than the establishment of a realistic political vision.
Steve Sargent (brother of Charlie) makes the quite frank admission in the Independent interview elsewhere that an establishment of a White Aryan homeland is "the fantasy", whereas "the reality is what you see all around you".
TC, ive been trying to research it but its hard to find out! as far as i can tell hes still inside and when he gets out there'll be a few shirtfront 'types' looking to 'clarify the situation' with him.
sol, collins sort of identified this in his book Hate - that these guys are just so nuts - hitler liking, holocaust denying - that no one will hang out with them so they are stuck with each other. if your mum for example met someone like that in the local boozer she wd think they were insane. and mum knows best!
is it worth trawling thru in the interests of research of can i watch back to the future trilogy now instead?
That's fucking LLETSA's line.
Get on with it.
BTTF 2 im afraid! 'great scott!'
BTTF 2 is set in 2015. so unless the hoverboard is invented in the next 3 years, how can we trust anything that speilberg et al tell us?
I know a guy who is half Iraqi/half Irish but his dad is an ex NFer who still holds his racialist views and lives with his mixed blood children and ex Iraqi wife, and has a half black granddaughter aswell! Contradictions with Nazis in Britain these days are bound to happen! I found that documentary very interesting, albeit depressing.
There was a female skinhead pictured in that book wearing a 'Razors Edge' t-shirt name of Cathy Murphy, a former near neighhbour of mine. She achieved a few moments 'notoriety' for a while when civil servants in her office found out her politics. The SWP/ANL fucked it up as per usual......
Wasn't it Cathy Talbot? Regardless, it's the same individual featured in the book. I always wondered what happened to her as she seemed to be another one of the regular 'faces'.
shirtfront advertising B&H 'london calling' gig. are they sure about the title? irony?
Re the lifestyle politics :with neo nazis that is absolutely correct and that is why they found the BNPs shift politically a total betrayal. The de Nazification of the BNP and the influx of members who had had no link with previous far right groups left them more and more isolated ,confined to the margins. Whilst the majority of this ever decreasing rump are confined to the internet on Stormfront or selling fash regalia on Ebay , a handfull set out on a path of terrorism or were ushered by the security services into flushing the would be terrorists out.
Cultural nationalism will have a future but narrow ethno fascism with its belief in white supremacy and anti Semitic world conspiracies is probably on par with Harpal Braar and the CPGB (ML)
No, it was Cathy Murphy, she lived in the next street to me. She worked in the same DSS office as a few mates.
poster on shirtfront says that it came out at his trial! the state using wombat 18 to gather info on uda etc would not be too surprising. but fash accuse anyone they dislike of being state/nonce/red so its hard to evaluate.
Marsupials and fascist groups....
as you say Wombat 18
Koala Klux Klan
ok any animal insect or otherwise species
Gnu Gnat-ional Front
Separate names with a comma.