Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by editor, Aug 16, 2008.
Whereas you would probably prefer ... I don't know ... swingeing on-the-spot fines or something ...
No way should anyone ban water. It is far too hot down there for that to be safe.
That's another pro-smoking styled 'argument'. Careful
You hardly get any kids on the tube, I noticed, probably something to do with all the steps and not many accessible tube stations. Likewise you don't seem to get very many people over 50 on them.
i haven't called you a liar. You don't agree with my anecdotal evidence, i don't agree with yours. which is fair enough.
As others have said TFL haven't ever really raised this as an issue on any factual basis.
That is what the transport police are for surely. a friend of mine wasn't allowed on to a tube by a PCSO for 20 minutes on Sunday as he was deemed to be drunk - he didn't have a drink on him though! (although a proper BTP came out and told us the other way in to the tube station and to ignore the PCSO )
I don't see why plenty of ordinary folk who just like a beer after work etc should suffer from the actions of the weekend drunken rabble.
If you were to argue to ban all food and drink completly then the 'mess' arguement might hold a bit more sway. It would be a bit of a bind, but at least it would make sense from a litter point of view.
Indeedy and blimey. I think I've lived in a very different London for the past 19 years to many of the posters on this thread.
And how do you measure? blood tests, breathlysers at the entrance?
No. it is just easier to say no alcohol.
you heard it here first kids!
Better then what you would prefer surely, which would be random strip stretches and unlawful imprisonment.
Oh, don't like people putting words in your mouth, then don't do it.
That stinger I hit you with two days ago has been hurting hasn't it Dot, you waited all that time for that lame joke just to ease the pain of that one.
Well I hope you feel better.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaat? No air conditioning?
It really is old, isn't it?
OK then - one small (max 500ml), plastic, transparent, bottle of water (only) allowed per person.
Not really relevant in the context of the question you were replying to, though, is it?
what stinger was that drav? if it was another your special brew fantasies I must have missed it.
Must be weird for you. On paper Good Uncle Boris has won you the right to spare your teetotal ultra-sensitive nose from the hordes of 'brew swilling louts (that exist in your head).
But reality is the rules are being quetly ignored by sensible folk.
Well I guess this has gone the same way as other tube drinking threads.
I'm in favour of the ban and want it extended to all food and drink. It's dirty and it smells unpleasant.
I don't use commuter trains but if I did I'd want food and drink banned on those too.
Planes are different. Flights are often longer and (sometimes derisory) facilities are provided to eat a meal. The cabin is also cleared by cabin crew soon after each meal. Planes are also air conditioned so smells don't tend to linger.
I'd be more than happy with an alcohol ban on planes and have many times witnessed nuisance pissheads on flights.
I was an advocate of a food/drink ban on tubes long before Boris became mayor. The alcohol ban is a step in the right direction.
For a first offence, yes. Amputation and execution should be sentencing options for repeat offenders.
Actually (as a Lib Dem) I'd have hated it whoever brought it in.
But then I'm pretty libertarian - I'm anti the smoking ban in pubs too.
The same as all other offences involving drunkenness ... with the evidence of a police officer (which is deemed to be "expert" evidence in relation to drunkenness and so opinion can be given).
Realised that your inconsistency catches you out, have you ...
Dravinian - the PT booze ban doesn't extend to the internet, so what's it got to do with you?
So much bollocks talking here...
The majority of drinkers (me included) don't drink on the tube.
The majority of liquid mess left on a seat on a tube could have been left from soft drinks or any other non-alcoholic substance.
The point is about Boris's dash to ban it for no apparent reason. No debate. Nothing!
"Oooh, Aren't I popular with the tut-tut brigade now..."
Sure you did. And what was this slow drying liquid?
As I posted, Cit, the booze ban is nonsense.
A total ban on food and drink is what's required (with the 500ml water proviso I suggested).
How do people with small children and the elderly (sorry defined as the over 50's in this instance because there seem so few of them on the tube!) get about in London?? (Serious question?)
I'll tell you a true story and it only stuck in my mind because of this debate.
I went to meet a person of the fairer gender for drinks on Sunday night. From where I live I took a central line tube and changed at bank/monument to get the northern line. My favoured seat is the one at the end of a row and not stuck in the middle but when I joined the northern line train I couldn't sit in that seat because there was a semi-sealed large paper cup of some drink or other already sitting there from some earlier lazy fucking traveller that thought it easier to leave it there than find a bin to place it in.
Now here's the rub; As much as I was fucked off about not being able to have that seat there were other seats available. At that time. And why should I clear some other cheeky fuckers mess up?
I travelled from Bank to Angel and not once did I see that drink spill even though it was left on a seat unattended.
And not once did I think about campaigning against cheap burger bar drinks being on the tube. Because the wanker that left it there clearly doesn't represent every other wanker who uses cheap American burger bars to buy drinks to use on and litter the tube with.
So that's no baby milk allowed, no soft drinks, no flavoured water, no juice, just a law designed to promote the wasteful use of bottled water.
Even though TFL have given away free water on the system in the past because they don't want people dehydrating on the tubes in the summer months!
Ill people on the system creates delays for the trains whilst they're being dealt with.
Be careful not to spill any of that folks! The city boys' suits cost a fortune to dry clean.
Mind how you go.
Indeed... one of the nice things I noticed on a trip to Tokyo recently was that the train carriages were not overflowing with mouldy chicken bones and various other bits of crap, and I didnt see single person eating on the trains either.
Despite the lack of food scattered around there was still plenty of people drinking water and other drinks because without them travelling anywhere in the middle of August would leave you dehyrdated within an hour at most...
It works perfectly well in HK and nobody whinges about it since they see that it creates an environment that is pleasant, clean, odour free and unlittered.
Everyone appreciates that it creates a better environment for all. And frankly, having travelled on both systems, there's no doubt which is the better travelling experience.
Did you miss the bit about the water?
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