Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by cogg, May 24, 2010.
Were they from the West Yorkshire branch who got forced out?
wouldn't it be more of a perspective thing? Anarchists being left out of having their say as part of the text/narrative?
Been shown by ftv and other stuff, 100 p/c right. Analysis of this type or quality was not even attempted by the other afa components
Loving the Internet gossip liam
No venue yet but somewhere in central london.
Bash the fash: Anti-Fascist recollections 1984-1993 is worth a read:
The same author wrote The Couriers are Revolting : The Despatch Industry Workers Union 1989-92, which is worth a read too:
How would you know as you haven't read it?
In my AFA branch, we all had the same perspective.
if anyone's interested, the pre-order offer/email address has been taken down for just now due to 'overwhelming interest' (from both media/press and orders) - online ordering/shopping cart stuff should be up in the next few days and a dedicated email address for press/media enquiries
launch party stuff still being organised, potentially some regional ones in addition to the london event
perhaps those people can get Searchlight to publish their version?
just finished reading your Again Plucking the White Rose. Interesting stuff.
Indeed: and there is yet more to come out on Yorkshire, hence the Indymedia hysteria!
A short introduction to the ideology of Anti-Fascist Action (UK), followed by a practical demonstration.
TBaldwin, I was with that group just before that bit. A small break away from the main AFA group, we'd left Waterloo; after the fascists got routed they were on the run and stumbled into that small group of RA /AFA /ex-RA.
Unlike your comment, I don't think ideology or sectarianism came into the mind of the 'main man' as you say, in that action. He knew he he wanted to be with on that day.
A very good rearguard action by the few, the only bit of the day that the media showed...wonder why? couldn't show the Reds being the violent victors could they?!
LOH, great comment re Searchlight/ Leeds
so what sort of opposition to fascism would you propose, that wouldn't have a "limited sort of effectiveness"?
Personally i think the best thing would be to build a genuine socialist alternative.
One that tells it like it is immigration ( that would undercut lots of the fascists support) One that is clearly anti social crime and in the words of the twat tb (blair not baldwin) is "tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime"
The threat from the BNP in itself is very limited due to them being twats.
But even twats like them do have the chance of more success than the far left who seem to DESPISE working class people.
not sure what you mean by this line?
I mean by tells it like it is on immigration.
Tells people directly why economic migration is being encouraged and why that is bad thing for poorer people right across the world.
seems to me our own tb is saying that the best way to undercut the fash is to acknowledge they have a point.
i must be thick mate sorry, but i am still not sure what you mean, bad for who? the immigrants? the native population?
Well obviously i dont think its bad for all who migrate. Though of course it doesnt exactly turn out great for loads. And of course iam not saying its bad for all the native population.
Some people will really benefit from increasing the supply of labour and increasing people who want to rent and buy homes.
But i would argue how much you benefit more often than not corresponds with what you own have in this society.
Summing it up the rich and the middle class who are usually the most pro immigration have most to gain from it!
But the other aspect that is overlooked is the absulutely dire consequences for people left behind in poorer nations, if the young and skilled workers they most need leave.
I think the left are associated with views on migration that are really daft and reactionary. And it is one of the reasons they are so politically irrelevant.
They think there being right on by being pro immigrant. But they need to look at the international consequences of the policies they support and hang their heads in shame.
While the debate here seems to be smouldering, a regular phalanx of trolls (and others) is active on the Indymedia thread concerning the book. Check it out http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/05/452031.html?c=on
edited to add: although the debate on Indymedia had caught fire, somebody wants to piss on it, it seems: three contributions have just disappeared from there, including a link to my on-line article 'Again Plucking the White Rose', mentioned previously on this thread. As it annoys people with something to hide, I've tried again over there, but will also put the link here http://www.borderland.co.uk/preview_007.htm
the events outlined in my original article, which the AFA book will hopefully elaborate on?
Interestingly, the disappeared comments have now reappeared, along with an abusive comment--almost as if Indymedia pulled it and then reinstated it after being given permission...
The whole indymedia thread. Not sure if i've seen the pre or post-censorship version. Not your article.
the censored version only lasted for 20 minutes (posts jumped from 141 back to 138, then leapt back to 142).
As for embarrassing--maybe so, but it indicates the book has contents which some fear.
fucking hell what a depressing thread - you sort of lose the will to live half way through
Mmm my thoughts exactly,an just out of curiosity,anyone any thoughts/opinions on the accusations levelled at a certain Malcolm Astell?
Pretty much sets outs the anarchist case .They haven't even read the book My recollection for what it is worth is that aside from some elements mainly within Class War and DAM AFA wasn't heaving with anarchists, there were a lot of non aligned but there were even SWP members and Labour types involved. In fact I can even remember Workers Power's contribution.
Aside from the one minute wonders who may have been temporally involved, those who weren't but think they should have been and the fash posting on Indymedia who is putting the smears out on O'Shea and why now?
So now this is proof positive that indymedia's a secret service asset?
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