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17-year-old girl facing jail because of G20

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by sunshine1, Apr 4, 2009.

  1. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    What? :confused:
  2. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    Why can't people seperate out the different reasons behind the vandalism?.
  3. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    Because they're idiots?
  4. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    I hope she won't go to prison and I'm sure it won't come to that. In my view it doesn't matter whether it's a mosque, bank, someone's car, a school, a cricket pavillion, or sir Fred Goodwin's front window. Grown ups ought not to praise younger people for vandalism.
  5. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    See what I mean.
  6. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    "Whataboutery" - n. the classic tactic of supporters of one political side deflecting attention from a failing on its own side by pointing at the supposed failings on the other side.

    Yours was slightly different in that you brought in an issue completely different to the one in hand, but you meant something like "you have no right to talk - what about Iraq?"
  7. badco

    badco Banned Banned

    Agreed,I'd still like to know why the girl was hailed a hero by the OP

    She hardly drew attention to or gained support for the purpose of the days events....In fact anybody with no prior knowledge would have a clue what those protests were about as all that was reported in the media was the violence lol
  8. copliker

    copliker ...

    Yes it is and it illustrates reasonably adequately what a hypocritical noxious shitbag you are. Fuck the fucking window and fuck you. :)
  9. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    Not really.
  10. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    Somebody's had too much sugar today! :eek:
  11. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    Actually her act diminishes the force of the conspiracy theory being lovingly cultivated here and elsewhere, that this was the work of agents provocateurs.
  12. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Bound for glory

    Hopefully she is a taxpayer and can therefore claim in her defence that she was breaking her own window :cool:
  13. badco

    badco Banned Banned

    :D
  14. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    That argument doesn't work when seventeen year old vandalise schools.
  15. sunshine1

    sunshine1 New Member

    I see that the adherents of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views are out in force this afternoon. Tossers all !

    No one unlike you Tossers; wants to live in a world of violence, we all want to live in a world of peace and plenty with enough to go around for everyone without starvation, homelessness and war. What is a few broken windows in compare to the many thousands who have lost homes and jobs. Some of us don't like this system because it don't work in the interests on the majority it is the cause of all wars; and in the end will go; along with people like you! A stand was made this week and I'm proud of young people who see the need for a far, far better world and are prepared to fight for it like this brave young girl has! she has my support.
  16. copliker

    copliker ...

    Yes I have. I'm right though.
  17. badco

    badco Banned Banned

    And that 17 year old has demonstrated that point perfectley?
  18. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    Do you really think people would vandalise a car or (I'm not going to call him sir) Fred Goodwin's house for the same reasons?
  19. Fedayn

    Fedayn Diffidati con noi

    There's no 'supposed' about whataboutery, yet again you're incapable of honesty. Whataboutery, whilst a rather pointless tactic, doesn't need 'supposed' failings at all.
  20. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    You're right. I will amend my definition of whataboutery that I keep handy for these situations.
  21. Azrael

    Azrael circling Airstrip One

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...20-protests-Four-charged-over-RBS-attack.html

    The exact charges the girl faces are burglary and "intent to commit damage" (I assume the Telegraph means criminal damage there). Regardless of political motives, vandalism is wrong, and it's right that those responsible should face criminal damage charges.

    However, I've said before that I don't think under-18s should face adult penalties, and I stand by that. I reluctantly support the gaoling of young thugs until something better is devised, but if the girl is convicted, some form of non-custodial community service would be appropriate.
  22. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    Doesn't matter what the reasons are - grown ups shouldn't be encouraging it.
  23. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Nadie espera a la babosa española

    [​IMG]
  24. Fedayn

    Fedayn Diffidati con noi

    In other words, you'll stop writing bollocks because you're attempt to tryu and be 'clever' has been found out. There are no 'supposed' failings re Iraq, unless you refer to hundreds of thousands of dead as merely 'supposed'. Frankly, however, given your utter lack of critical analysis regarding this government, I wouldn't be surprised if you did regard them as 'supposed'.
  25. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    God, you really are a miserable old sod!
  26. sunshine1

    sunshine1 New Member

    This is all nonsense. Even as the summit took place, the reality of spiraling levels of unemployment made itself felt. In the US, it was reported that another 742,000 jobs were wiped out last month. In Spain, the Labor Ministry announced that the unemployment rate had hit 15.5 percent, the worst in Europe, with 3.6 million Spanish workers jobless. In Britain itself, the site of the summit, new rounds of mass layoffs were announced, with two companies, insurance giant Norwich Union and aircraft manufacturer Bombardier, slashing 2,500 more jobs.

    This global destruction of jobs will continue and intensify, threatening hundreds of millions of people with poverty and hunger. The World Bank has issued a new forecast predicting a global economic contraction of 1.7 percent. World Bank President Robert Zoellick told the BBC, "We haven't seen numbers like that since World War II—that really means the Great Depression."

    He warned, "We believe that the lower growth will lead to some 200,000 to 400,000 babies dying this year. So the overall effects are dramatic."

    United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon was more explicit still in detailing the extent of the present crisis and its implications. He told the Guardian, "We have seen the frightening velocity of change. What began as a financial crisis has become a global economic crisis. I fear worse to come: a full-blown political crisis defined by growing social unrest, weakened governments and angry publics who have lost all faith in their leaders and their own future."

    He continued, "In good times, economic and social development comes slowly. In bad times, things fall apart alarmingly fast. It is a short step from hunger to starvation, from disease to death, from peace and stability to conflict and wars that spill across borders and affect us all, near and far. Unless we can build a worldwide recovery we face a looming catastrophe in human development."
  27. Fedayn

    Fedayn Diffidati con noi

    You're not fond of having your snide little games shown up are you?
  28. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    Cheer up! My interlocutor seemingly didn't know what the word meant, I offered a definition, you demonstrated yet again how even more cleverer you are. So we all win.
  29. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    The reasons behind an action matter very much unless you live in a ridiculous black and white world. That's why judges hear the circumstances surrounding an incident and take it into account.
  30. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    You remind me of Funf, out of ITMA in the second world war. “Zis is Funf speaking.”

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