Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by sunshine1, Apr 4, 2009.
Why can't people seperate out the different reasons behind the vandalism?.
Because they're idiots?
I hope she won't go to prison and I'm sure it won't come to that. In my view it doesn't matter whether it's a mosque, bank, someone's car, a school, a cricket pavillion, or sir Fred Goodwin's front window. Grown ups ought not to praise younger people for vandalism.
See what I mean.
"Whataboutery" - n. the classic tactic of supporters of one political side deflecting attention from a failing on its own side by pointing at the supposed failings on the other side.
Yours was slightly different in that you brought in an issue completely different to the one in hand, but you meant something like "you have no right to talk - what about Iraq?"
Agreed,I'd still like to know why the girl was hailed a hero by the OP
She hardly drew attention to or gained support for the purpose of the days events....In fact anybody with no prior knowledge would have a clue what those protests were about as all that was reported in the media was the violence lol
Yes it is and it illustrates reasonably adequately what a hypocritical noxious shitbag you are. Fuck the fucking window and fuck you.
Somebody's had too much sugar today!
Actually her act diminishes the force of the conspiracy theory being lovingly cultivated here and elsewhere, that this was the work of agents provocateurs.
Hopefully she is a taxpayer and can therefore claim in her defence that she was breaking her own window
That argument doesn't work when seventeen year old vandalise schools.
I see that the adherents of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views are out in force this afternoon. Tossers all !
No one unlike you Tossers; wants to live in a world of violence, we all want to live in a world of peace and plenty with enough to go around for everyone without starvation, homelessness and war. What is a few broken windows in compare to the many thousands who have lost homes and jobs. Some of us don't like this system because it don't work in the interests on the majority it is the cause of all wars; and in the end will go; along with people like you! A stand was made this week and I'm proud of young people who see the need for a far, far better world and are prepared to fight for it like this brave young girl has! she has my support.
Yes I have. I'm right though.
And that 17 year old has demonstrated that point perfectley?
Do you really think people would vandalise a car or (I'm not going to call him sir) Fred Goodwin's house for the same reasons?
There's no 'supposed' about whataboutery, yet again you're incapable of honesty. Whataboutery, whilst a rather pointless tactic, doesn't need 'supposed' failings at all.
You're right. I will amend my definition of whataboutery that I keep handy for these situations.
The exact charges the girl faces are burglary and "intent to commit damage" (I assume the Telegraph means criminal damage there). Regardless of political motives, vandalism is wrong, and it's right that those responsible should face criminal damage charges.
However, I've said before that I don't think under-18s should face adult penalties, and I stand by that. I reluctantly support the gaoling of young thugs until something better is devised, but if the girl is convicted, some form of non-custodial community service would be appropriate.
Doesn't matter what the reasons are - grown ups shouldn't be encouraging it.
In other words, you'll stop writing bollocks because you're attempt to tryu and be 'clever' has been found out. There are no 'supposed' failings re Iraq, unless you refer to hundreds of thousands of dead as merely 'supposed'. Frankly, however, given your utter lack of critical analysis regarding this government, I wouldn't be surprised if you did regard them as 'supposed'.
God, you really are a miserable old sod!
This is all nonsense. Even as the summit took place, the reality of spiraling levels of unemployment made itself felt. In the US, it was reported that another 742,000 jobs were wiped out last month. In Spain, the Labor Ministry announced that the unemployment rate had hit 15.5 percent, the worst in Europe, with 3.6 million Spanish workers jobless. In Britain itself, the site of the summit, new rounds of mass layoffs were announced, with two companies, insurance giant Norwich Union and aircraft manufacturer Bombardier, slashing 2,500 more jobs.
This global destruction of jobs will continue and intensify, threatening hundreds of millions of people with poverty and hunger. The World Bank has issued a new forecast predicting a global economic contraction of 1.7 percent. World Bank President Robert Zoellick told the BBC, "We haven't seen numbers like that since World War II—that really means the Great Depression."
He warned, "We believe that the lower growth will lead to some 200,000 to 400,000 babies dying this year. So the overall effects are dramatic."
United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon was more explicit still in detailing the extent of the present crisis and its implications. He told the Guardian, "We have seen the frightening velocity of change. What began as a financial crisis has become a global economic crisis. I fear worse to come: a full-blown political crisis defined by growing social unrest, weakened governments and angry publics who have lost all faith in their leaders and their own future."
He continued, "In good times, economic and social development comes slowly. In bad times, things fall apart alarmingly fast. It is a short step from hunger to starvation, from disease to death, from peace and stability to conflict and wars that spill across borders and affect us all, near and far. Unless we can build a worldwide recovery we face a looming catastrophe in human development."
You're not fond of having your snide little games shown up are you?
Cheer up! My interlocutor seemingly didn't know what the word meant, I offered a definition, you demonstrated yet again how even more cleverer you are. So we all win.
The reasons behind an action matter very much unless you live in a ridiculous black and white world. That's why judges hear the circumstances surrounding an incident and take it into account.
You remind me of Funf, out of ITMA in the second world war. “Zis is Funf speaking.”
Separate names with a comma.